Gianluigi Buffon (136 Viewers)

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Clinton is just anecdotal evidence. But it does tell you something. Obviously the part of the criminal proceedings (there is such a thing as court transcripts you know) was the bulk of the evidence. But you conveniently ignored that. As you always do during arguments.

And no, boycotting sports events will never work. It also unjustly punishes the athletes who have nothing to do with the bidding process in the first place.
No worthy wealthy footballer cares about the world cup. Iranian sorts of players care about the world cup, and those sorts of countries will not boycott the games.
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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No worthy wealthy footballer cares about the world cup. Iranian sorts of players care about the world cup, and those sorts of countries will not boycott the games.
Can you explain what you mean, because I'm not getting it.

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WΏΏdy?;5794025 said:
Yep, boycott it, don't send your teams and don't watch it on telly.

Ya know 99% of peeps complaining about this are the ones would won't be going there for the world cup while 100% of people who WILL go are going to probably love it there.

That is completely irrelevant. It's also insane that your defense of bribery is simply that others do it too.
 

Wittl

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WΏΏdy?;5794011 said:
Why would you wish we face him and we break his heart? Isn't it simpler to win it by not facing him at all?
Lol, wat? I didn't say I hope we'd face him in the final, but IF we'd face him, I hope we win. Agree?
 

pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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Clinton is just anecdotal evidence. But it does tell you something. Obviously the part of the criminal proceedings (there is such a thing as court transcripts you know) was the bulk of the evidence. But you conveniently ignored that. As you always do during arguments.

And no, boycotting sports events will never work. It also unjustly punishes the athletes who have nothing to do with the bidding process in the first place.
If you think it's unjust to ask for athlete to not play in a shady WC, wouldn't it also be unjust to ask someone to reject a small fortune to promote a shady WC? :D It's going to happen nevertheless, people will play in it, promote it, everyone will do their jobs and in the end the only ones responsible for the WC being bought by Qatar is FIFA not Buffon, not the journalists, not the players, referees, coaches, visiting fans or everyone else involved.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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If you think it's unjust to ask for athlete to not play in a shady WC, wouldn't it also be unjust to ask someone to reject a small fortune to promote a shady WC? :D It's going to happen nevertheless, people will play in it, promote it, everyone will do their jobs and in the end the only ones responsible for the WC being bought by Qatar is FIFA not Buffon or the million other people participating
No. Playing in the World Cup is a lifelong dream for the players. To Gigi the money means very little. He has earned millions and millions of Euros throughout his career. There is no way that a little bit of extra money will have a significant impact on his life. I'm okay with him playing for PSG. I understand that that also means he can't criticise the World Cup openly. That's fine. I don't need him to. But I think not allowing himself to be used as a promotional tool for a World Cup that very clearly violates human rights in all sorts of ways is a very small favour to ask.
 

WΏΏdy?

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Can you explain what you mean, because I'm not getting it.

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That is completely irrelevant. It's also insane that your defense of bribery is simply that others do it too.
Of course it's relevant, most of the concerns were regarding the infrastructure or ability to hold an event like that.

Also I'm not defending it, I'm saying I didn't see most of the haters with their arms up in disgust when Russia got the vote, like homosexuality laws are so relaxed there or like it's not the country with the worst human rights violations or that the people jumping on Qatar have their govt do worse to other countries and they they should be consistent in their judgement. And to add to all this, I said don't just hate on Qatar because they paid, also hate the party that got paid. And then I said don't act ignorant and think no one else did it before Qatar and no one else will do it after.

Lol, wat? I didn't say I hope we'd face him in the final, but IF we'd face him, I hope we win. Agree?
Agreed
 

pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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No. Playing in the World Cup is a lifelong dream for the players. To Gigi the money means very little. He has earned millions and millions of Euros throughout his career. There is no way that a little bit of extra money will have a significant impact on his life. I'm okay with him playing for PSG. I understand that that also means he can't criticise the World Cup openly. That's fine. I don't need him to. But I think not allowing himself to be used as a promotional tool for a World Cup that very clearly violates human rights in all sorts of ways is a very small favour to ask.
What about Barcelona, Boca Juniors and Roma having Qatar Airways, a state owned company, as their shirt sponsor? I don't think it's a coincidence they've expanded their footie sponsorship before the WC in Qatar :p It's not like the couple million bucks would mean much to any of those clubs, surely they're richer than Buffon. What if Juve switches Jeep with Qatar Airways and funds SMS with the extra money, will you be disappointed as well?

As long as Buffon doesn't come out with some outlandish comments about Qatar as a state and sticks to promoting footie, I don't see how it's any different to Ronaldo and Bebeto promoting WC 2014 in Brazil or Kerzhakov and Desailly promoting WC 2018 in Russia, they're just doing their job.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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What about Barcelona, Boca Juniors and Roma having Qatar Airways, a state owned company, as their shirt sponsor? I don't think it's a coincidence they've expanded their footie sponsorship before the WC in Qatar It's not like the couple million bucks would mean much to any of those clubs, surely they're richer than Buffon. What if Juve switches Jeep with Qatar Airways and funds SMS with the extra money, will you be disappointed as well?

As long as Buffon doesn't come out with some outlandish comments about Qatar as a state and sticks to promoting footie, I don't see how it's any different to Ronaldo and Bebeto promoting WC 2014 in Brazil or Kerzhakov and Desailly promoting WC 2018 in Russia, they're just doing their job.
Ronaldo and Bebeto promoting a World Cup in their home country is hardly compareable. Especially when it's Brazil. Surely the all time record champion with a population of over 200 million people, a suitable climate and the necessary stadiums can offer a legitimate bid.

I don't like the fact Russia got it either tbh.

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pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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Ronaldo and Bebeto promoting a World Cup in their home country is hardly compareable. Especially when it's Brazil. Surely the all time record champion with a population of over 200 million people, a suitable climate and the necessary stadiums can offer a legitimate bid.

I don't like the fact Russia got it either tbh.

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Actually it's way fucking worse that they were in their home country :D If anything, they should be better informed of the problems with that World Cup, surely they didn't miss their nation protesting and rioting in unseen numbers for a footie tournament prior to the World Cup. For me, Brazils and South Africa's WC was as idiotic as Olympics 2004 in Athens, at least Russian oligarchs and Qatar sheikhs bribing FIFA didn't mean billions of dollars down the toilet for a not-so-rich country with huge economic problems, although both still have major stink

Matter of fact is, FIFA under Blatter was rotten for decades and they are the ones responsible, I wouldn't go down the road of condemning everyone that in one way or another supported or benefited from their events.
 

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