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[Post Ironic]

So you think it's fair if your partners put 2/3 of the funds to build one of the biggest rafinery in the world on your soil in the hopes of extracting oil from it, for you to come and say my soil, my oil, f your trouble, f your investment, f our agreement, get out?

You can test this in real life against 2 bullies and see where that gets you.

@Osman he was not assassinated. He was put in jail until his death in 1967.
How fair was that, I don't know, but the guy did try to seize private property by force, cause that's what he did, but because it's aparently in the name of the people than that's alright.

All the same, it is not an excuse for a foreign power to overthrow a democratically elected government. You must be kidding

And yeah, look how well it worked out for the bullies to overthrow him. Iran is sure America’s friend now. They have easy access to all that Iranian oil lol

I do also think it’s a joke that poor developing countries were continually forced to give up their natural resources at pennies on the dollar to the rich Imperial powers who often played a large role in making those countries impoverished in the first place. Supporting the rape and looting of the developing world to make the rich richer. Lol

 

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[U Picciriddu]

People thought Libya is going to be great but it probably became even worse after.

It might become worse, I'm not gonna comment now on that. But I just find it hilarious how people think the US is bringing justice to the world. They think they are invading other countries to help someone. Thinking they are doing it for others interest is on Marvel level of realistic. Hell, I think some super heroes are more realistic.

I agree with basically every post you posted here today. I think it’s mostly USA citizens believing their own propaganda. I hope the EU cools down the ties with the USA and this regard, we should be ashamed of the vacuum we created the Middle-East. Failed war after failed war, with the USA and the UK leading the pack.

 

[Post Ironic]

I’m sure, Kappa96, you’ll defend the CIA and US state department overthrowing Arbenz because he installed a minimum wage, promoted workers rights, and was trying to put an end to exploitative labour practices in Guatemala. And ya know, when the United Fruit Company invested there, they didn’t sign up to pay fair wages and not use basically slave labour, they also didn’t sign up to have agrarian land reform, and be paid over double what they paid for (and the same value the company valued their property at for tax purposes lol) the idle agricultural land they owned to be bought back by the government and redistributed to the poor working class. The nerve of that government! They deserved to be overthrown!

 

[kappa96]

All the same, it is not an excuse for a foreign power to overthrow a democratically elected government. You must be kidding

And yeah, look how well it worked out for the bullies to overthrow him. Iran is sure America’s friend now. They have easy access to all that Iranian oil lol

I do also think it’s a joke that poor developing countries were continually forced to give up their natural resources at pennies on the dollar to the rich Imperial powers who often played a large role in making those countries impoverished in the first place. Supporting the rape and looting of the developing world to make the rich richer. Lol

Agree to disagree, bro.
Sad to see so many Europeans against the USA.
I for one I am grateful for them since without the USA, Russia would impose our national policy.
We had 50 years of comunism thx to them. That's 50 years to many.
Just look at what happened to Ukraine.

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I’m sure, Kappa96, you’ll defend the CIA and US state department overthrowing Arbenz because he installed a minimum wage, promoted workers rights, and was trying to put an end to exploitative labour practices in Guatemala. And ya know, when the United Fruit Company invested there, they didn’t sign up to pay fair wages and not use basically slave labour, they also didn’t sign up to have agrarian land reform, and be paid over double what they paid for (and the same value the company valued their property at for tax purposes lol) the idle agricultural land they owned to be bought back by the government and redistributed to the poor working class. The nerve of that government! They deserved to be overthrown!

But now they are free to prosper at their fullest without the USA's intervention.
How well they are doing, let's see, shall we?

 

[Post Ironic]

Agree to disagree, bro.
Sad to see so many Europeans against the USA.
I for one I am grateful for them since without the USA, Russia would impose our national policy.
We had 50 years of comunism thx to them. That's 50 years to many.
Just look at what happened to Ukraine.

Yeah. Look at what USA did to Iran, Chile, Cuba, Guatemala, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Iraq, etc etc etc.

No one is against the US or thinks they are worse than Russia. But it’s a joke to think they can just arbitrarily overthrow any democratically elected government they disagree with and install a brutal dictator friendly to their interests instead. That makes them no different from Russia.

You think Iran under the Shah or Cuba under Batista were any better than commie governments?

 

[kappa96]

Yeah. Look at what USA did to Iran, Chile, Cuba, Guatemala, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Iraq, etc etc etc.

No one is against the US or thinks they are worse than Russia. But it’s a joke to think they can just arbitrarily overthrow any democratically elected government they disagree with and install a brutal dictator friendly to their interests instead. That makes them no different from Russia.

You think Iran under the Shah or Cuba under Batista were any better than commie governments?

I ain't going to bother to research what they were in those times and frankly I don't care.
I just know where they are now, without the US bothering them and know that their people would be better off without their current governments.

I also know that being friends with the US has many advantages, which far outweighs the negatives.

That's why all the prosperous countries in the middle east all have great ties with them.
FFS Vietnam had a war with them and are practically hoping for a China US conflict so the US moves it's factorys there.

 

[Post Ironic]

I ain't going to bother to research what they were in those times and frankly I don't care.
I just know where they are now, without the US bothering them and know that their people would be better off without their current governments.

I also know that being friends with the US has many advantages, which far outweighs the negatives.

That's why all the prosperous countries in the middle east all have great ties with them.
FFS Vietnam had a war with them and are practically hoping for a China US conflict so the US moves it's factorys there.

Of course they’d be better off without their current governments. The reason they have their current governments is almost 100% due to US meddling, imperialism, and support of coup d’etats to overthrow their democratically elected governments and install dictators friendly to their interests.

Again, no one is saying the world would be better off without the US as a power but that doesn’t absolve them of their fuck ups and abuses and crimes around the world. They can do better and have mostly done better in recent years due to learning from the massive mistakes they made in the 1950s through the 1970s.

 

[kappa96]

I agree with the last part. Disagree in part with the first, though.
I will not deny they f Ed up badly in the past, in some areas.

 

[Fab Fragment]

As much of a jerk Trump was, I completely agree with his stance that we need to stop meddling in other countries' affairs. What did all these wars get us apart from trillions of dollars lost, dead and maimed soldiers and civilians, pissing people off and making enemies?

Our infrastructure is crumbling, healthcare is a complete mess and debt is climbing every second.

I guess only the MIC is satisfied with the current state of affairs.

 

[Elvin]

Dude, the US supported murderous dictators in most of those countries for decades. They are still feeling the effects of having their democracies torn down by American backed assassinations and coup d’états.

I mean, no one here thinks that the US is the bad guy on a global scale relative to the Chinese and Russians, etc. But while understanding that they have done a good job in certain instances, and have helped democracy be the aspiration for the developing world, it’s also important to not bury your head in the sand and pretend they haven’t fucked up badly and made a giant mess in a lot of places too.

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Dude. Nationalizing natural resources is the right of any government on their own soil. Now their should be fair payment and negotiation involved in the process with invested entities. But the US can’t go around assassinating and overthrowing democratically elected governments because they dislike their natural resource plans. There is no justifying what the US did in places like Iran and Guatemala.

I said so too: America has had mistakes but also successes, while other super power candidates have only had mistakes.

 

[icemaη]

As much of a jerk Trump was, I completely agree with his stance that we need to stop meddling in other countries' affairs. What did all these wars get us apart from trillions of dollars lost, dead and maimed soldiers and civilians, pissing people off and making enemies?

Our infrastructure is crumbling, healthcare is a complete mess and debt is climbing every second.

I guess only the MIC is satisfied with the current state of affairs.

He did sell billions in arms to the Saudi's who then used it to flatten Yemen to the stone ages. It's incredibly hard for US presidents to stay away from war. I do agree though, relatively Trump was better for the world while being worse for the US. Bush was terrible, Obama was worse, Biden will probably just maintain the status quo.

 

[Allegri_is_God]

He did sell billions in arms to the Saudi's who then used it to flatten Yemen to the stone ages. It's incredibly hard for US presidents to stay away from war. I do agree though, relatively Trump was better for the world while being worse for the US. Bush was terrible, Obama was worse, Biden will probably just maintain the status quo.

As we all can see in gas pricess to begin with

 

[Ronn]

Funny and tragic at the same time

 

[jukazem]

What's going on in Afghanistan?? I am still hoping the retreat is to take a fight with the Taliban out in the open. But seems some Afghans are open to Taliban rule. To spite the foreign occupation or are they wired like that??

 

[X Æ A-12]

Funny and tragic at the same time

Like I said if they aren't willing to fight then they get the Taliban

 

[Ronn]

Like I said if they aren't willing to fight then they get the Taliban

They are running away. Their leaders will run too. the ones who are remain have no ability to fight.
Books will be written to find the root cause for this massive failure, but I think not understanding the population composition in Afghanistan and put all eggs in the basket of the capital elite, just like the case with Iraq, is a major reason.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Funny and tragic at the same time

Something is seriously wrong with army moral there, I remind seeing comparable videos of Iraqi soldiers running away when IS arrived.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Its odd because one would think the Taliban wouldn't have much that would be effective against armored humvees, artillery etc. the Afghans probably got the from the US.

I mean sure you could fight guerilla war against them but for the Taliban to have taken so much of the country haven't they had to come toe to toe in the open against this? I would think being on the offensive would mitigate the advantages the taliban might have when fighting a defensive war in the rural mountains

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What's going on in Afghanistan?? I am still hoping the retreat is to take a fight with the Taliban out in the open. But seems some Afghans are open to Taliban rule. To spite the foreign occupation or are they wired like that??

They are a retarded people.

 

[Ronn]

What's going on in Afghanistan?? I am still hoping the retreat is to take a fight with the Taliban out in the open. But seems some Afghans are open to Taliban rule. To spite the foreign occupation or are they wired like that??

the Pastun majority would prefer Taliban to any government who's not from their own especially Hazaras.