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BillyG

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Nov 25, 2006
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Can gay footballers ever come out?

It's time to tackle homophobia on the terraces and in the dressing room, say many within the game

He dreaded going to work with his colleagues. By the time he got into training, he was so nervous he felt sick. "I was like a bullied kid on his way to school to face his tormentors," wrote Graeme Le Saux, the former England and Chelsea defender, in his autobiography.

For 14 years, Le Saux endured the taunts of everyone from team-mates and players such as Robbie Fowler, who bent over in front of him and pointed at his backside during a match, to thousands of vociferous fans chanting obscenities. The cultured left-back was, in a sense, England's first outed footballer. And he was not even gay.

Le Saux's experience, just because he took an interest in the arts, read the Guardian and was not part of the game's laddish drinking culture, was so traumatic that he considered quitting football. Far worse, however, were the years of abuse suffered by Justin Fashanu, the only professional English footballer to come out as gay, who took his own life in 1998.

After becoming Britain's first £1m black player, Fashanu's career went downhill under Brian Clough at Nottingham Forest. Hearing rumours that Fashanu was visiting gay bars, Clough confronted him, later writing in his autobiography: "'Where do you go if you want a loaf of bread?' I asked [Fashanu]. 'A baker's, I suppose.' 'Where do you go if you want a leg of lamb?' 'A butcher's.' 'So why do you keep going to that bloody poofs' club?'"

The Justin Campaign, named in honour of Fashanu, is just one of a group of diversity and gay rights organisations who expressed "grave concerns" this week when the Football Association hurriedly cancelled the launch of a film intended to confront homophobia. Previously, it was reported that the FA had been struggling to find high-profile players to support the film; now, English football's governing body is to conduct further consultation on the hard-hitting video that shows a man abusing workmates and commuters with anti-gay taunts before doing the same at a football match. It may never be released in its current form.

While English football's administrators dither, homophobia endures in the modern game. The stadiums may be plusher than ever but they still reverberate to offensive anti-gay chants, and homophobic "banter" is widespread in dressing rooms.

The list of openly gay sporting heroes around the world is a short one. Famous names include basketball's John Amaechi, hurling's Donal Og Cusack, Olympic gold medal-winning diver Matthew Mitcham and, most notably in Britain, Nigel Owens, the Welsh international rugby referee, and Gareth Thomas, Wales's most-capped player and the former British Lions captain, who came out last December.

Of about 4,000 professional footballers in England and Wales, however, none will openly acknowledge they are gay. Paul Elliott, the former Chelsea and Celtic star who works with football diversity campaign group Kick It Out, has said at least 12 Premier League players are gay. After Thomas came out, the publicist Max Clifford revealed that he advised two high-profile gay Premiership stars to keep their sexuality secret because football "remains in the dark ages, steeped in homophobia".

The Professional Footballers' Association has taken advice from Amaechi over how to tackle homophobic abuse in the game. "There's no point beating around the bush," says its chief executive, Gordon Taylor. "Football is a macho world but then so was the armed forces, and that has changed."

Who is to blame for the repression and prejudice hanging over football? Abusive fans? Homophobic team-mates? Or the stuffed shirts at the FA and leading clubs who haven't a clue about the modern world? Ben Summerskill, chief executive of Stonewall, describes football as "institutionally homophobic", and says the FA is significantly behind other workplaces in tackling the problem. "The FA has been in denial at a senior level, and until recently they did not acknowledge that there was any serious problem," he says.

Traditionally homophobic, macho and conservative professions such as investment banking and the armed forces are, according to Summerskill, significantly better at addressing homophobia than football.

"It's ironic that the work we're doing with the army is much more advanced than what is happening in football. We're sending openly gay and lesbian people to fight in Afghanistan, but we can't send openly gay people to fight for the World Cup this summer.

"The chiefs and generals in the armed services understand that people perform better when they can be themselves at work – you feel more comfortable and are more productive – and that will be true of professional football, when it finally happens, as well."

Rather like Le Saux, former Scotland international Pat Nevin was teased in the dressing room by fellow footballers for his esoteric tastes. "I was interested in the theatre and the arts and so I got the 'you must be gay' thing – to which I sniggered and said, 'I'm not and I don't care if you think I am,'" he says.

During his playing career for Everton and Chelsea, Nevin was closely involved in the first anti-racism campaigns in football. But, perhaps surprisingly, he says he feels slightly differently about homophobia in the game. He believes the football world would quickly accept gay players and there are actually no insurmountable obstacles to them coming out; it is just up to them to reveal their sexuality.

"You hate to see homophobia out there, and you don't want to hear it or have it in the clubs, but if there are any gay players they should just come out. That may sound heartless, and I am sure if you are gay there are all sorts of fears and worries, but I do think football can probably cope with it."

In fact, Nevin believes football may be being unfairly tarnished for homophobia when there are actually very few gay footballers; he says he has never met one who is known to be gay. "Gay people have come out in other sports. Football gets battered for certain things which it doesn't deserve to get battered for. If a player comes out and is then hounded out of the game, that's when we should go for football."

Summerskill however believes there are high-profile footballers who are gay and in a similar position to Gareth Thomas, whose sexuality was known and accepted by those close to him after Thomas confided in coaches and senior Welsh team-mates three years before he came out. But it's not an easy place to come out. "We've talked to professional footballers who have explicitly said there is homophobia in their dressing rooms," Summerskill says. "That doesn't just make a difference to whether you will come out, but also how you play."

Clifford believes that it is unlikely a Premiership star will come out in the near future, but that if they do, they are likely to be an established, experienced star with a long career behind them and little to lose. Summerskill says he would be surprised if we did not see an openly gay footballer within a decade. But he does not believe high-profile players have a moral obligation to come out, even if it would undoubtedly help thousands of other young people – and footballers – wrestling with their sexuality. He prefers to quietly stress the positive benefits – both personal and professional – that have been widely expressed by openly gay sports stars such as Thomas and Martina Navratilova.

Thomas, who only came out towards the end of his career, admitted that he "could never have come out without first establishing myself and earning respect as a player", but then spoke of "the amazing response" he received.

At the PFA, Taylor fears the tragic example of Fashanu still looms large over professional footballers. But there are more encouraging instances of sporting heroes being open about their sexuality in great adversity. The Australian rugby league star Ian Roberts was the country's first professional player to come out in 1995; a courageous act in a notoriously macho sport. When he retired three years later, he reflected that, "The public reaction when I came out is my highlight over anything I've accomplished on the field."
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An interesting article. I remember a few years back the NFL were discussing the same because quite a few NFL players have gone on to confess to being gay only after retiring for fear of persecution.
 

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David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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that's about the first time I have ever read anything about gays in football
it would take a lot of guts to come out in such a macho world
I have long suspected certain players of being gay but none of them is brave enough
this is your chance Matrix
seriously, we all know there are gays in football just like there are probably a couple on this forum
I don't really care as long as they care about the sport it's all fine by me
what they do in the bedroom or even better who is really none of my business
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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Careful before JBF reports this thread.:seven:

They should come out,why should they have to hide? Its not like their in countries like Afghanistan where they would be executed for coming out.

Yes JBF there are gays in the arab community & there are gays in your country.
 

Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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Hey By, JBF feels you're offending him. Maybe you should stop it.


He also asked me to give you the following message: "It's not gay if you beat them up afterwards."
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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I really doubt that we are going to see gay athletes coming out any time soon in any manly sport.

I'd think professionals in the modern game would be able to get past homophobia but I was surprised by Amr Zaki's actions and such occurrences would likely get worse with gay players instead of Israelis.

I wish them luck but openly homosexual players are going to face some tough times in any football league.
 

X Æ A-12

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Thats a bit unfair don't you think, your assuming that just because he is Christian he is going to make some huge stink about playing with gay players.

For somebody who is so against Racism and other prejudices you have no problem judging people by their religious beliefs and dumping on them for it.

Isn't Sissoko a Muslim? He would probably be the one with less tolerance towards homosexuals if we are just judging people by their religious beliefs now.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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Thats a bit unfair don't you think, your assuming that just because he is Christian he is going to make some huge stink about playing with gay players.

For somebody who is so against Racism and other prejudices you have no problem judging people by their religious beliefs and dumping on them for it.
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Legrotttaglie achieved a regular Surveyor diploma and the subject he preferred at school was English.

He is known as one of the most religious Italian football players saying that his favorite book is The Holy Bible, which he credits to having helped him rediscover the joy of living and love for his fellow man.

Legrotttaglie has come out strongly against homosexuality, calling it a "sin" and a "fashion".[3]
 

X Æ A-12

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Personal life

Legrotttaglie achieved a regular Surveyor diploma and the subject he preferred at school was English.

He is known as one of the most religious Italian football players saying that his favorite book is The Holy Bible, which he credits to having helped him rediscover the joy of living and love for his fellow man.

Legrotttaglie has come out strongly against homosexuality, calling it a "sin" and a "fashion".[3]
So what? Its not up to him who the board decides to sign, maybe we can get rid of him by signing a talented gay CB:D
 

X Æ A-12

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you told me i was being discriminatory, i was prooving i wasnt.
In this one incident, I still think you are a hypocrite after reading some of your posts in the discussions about religion that became such a shit storm a few months back. You were being serious yet you get mad at me for a racist joke? (A fucking joke). I am not racist at all but you actually have a problem with religion. Its Bullshit
 
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