Fifa to investigate Zidane provocation (9 Viewers)

Morra10

Senior Member
Apr 30, 2006
3,576
#82
its seems zizo gets frustrated easily and has shown some anger on the field...... i remember him stepping on the guy in the saudi arabia match
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
#84
giovanotti said:
He did it in the past too:
WC 98 vs Saudi Arabia
C.L.2000. twice.

There's a difference when it's in your retirement game in overtime of the world cup final. Yes it's always completely wrong, just this is surely 15 times worse for him.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,643
#85
but for some reason, people seem to forget that all. a good footballer is a footballer with a good attitude. Sure his skillfull and has been successfull but there have also been controversial moments.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,643
#86
Materazzi is an odious character and the way he insulted Zidane may have been wrong but at the end of the day you cannot justify an assault like that. Let me draw a parallel. In Euro 2004 when Totti spat at Poulsen, did we hear condemnation of Poulsen for winding Totti up? I think not, Totti was (rightly) condemned for his actions and nothing was mentioned about what Poulsen may have said to anger Totti. But in this case it seems many people want to somehow push the blame on Materazzi for winding up Zidane, almost as if Zidanes actions were justified. Seems like a case of double standards to me.

And dont say now that zidane is legend, totti is fool, how can i even compare those two. But as some have mentioned, zidane has had also his troubles/problems, and his red cards. But just because the man has acchieved all what a footballer can in his career, he will be differantly treated. (i thought we live in the free world where the rules are the same for all, and that includes the legends of footballworld.)

I have nothing against zidane, his a former juventino after all, and even his departure has had a big/positive influence on juventus, as the money was used to get some new players in the positions what were needed.

But then sebi and some others come up with those, if it had been the other way round, italian player get assault bla bla. If for example dp would have headbutted makelele to the chest i would feel totally embarassed. as i was, when that disgraceful moment with totti spitting towards poulsen had happened

and well lets just remember usa supporters talks about derossi incident, eh? ban him from every game, yeah deserved. But now when zidane uses violence, nothing, his a great player, and materazzi deserved it bla bla.
Sure materazzi is a jerk, but just because one is/was legend, we forgive him? and i still say it, a player who is as expierenced as zidane is, should not have reacted like that, he knows that a lot of people admire him and his the example for a lot of kids who want to become footballers, besides, in a world cup final? what was the point to play so well against spain and brazil and bring your nation to wc final if you just flush all your fans dreams because of some idiot(materazzi). Zidane could have ended his career as 2 times world champion, a HUGE legend, but now everyone will remember him in that tournament with that reaction. In fact, it seems that this incident is taking the entire attention from the winners of the world cup, and i am not saying this as a biased italian fan, but world cup tournament should be remembered by the winners, not because of some stupid incident. But sadly this incident in the final will be the talking point for a long time.
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
#87
Stephan said:
Materazzi is an odious character and the way he insulted Zidane may have been wrong but at the end of the day you cannot justify an assault like that. Let me draw a parallel. In Euro 2004 when Totti spat at Poulsen, did we hear condemnation of Poulsen for winding Totti up? I think not, Totti was (rightly) condemned for his actions and nothing was mentioned about what Poulsen may have said to anger Totti. But in this case it seems many people want to somehow push the blame on Materazzi for winding up Zidane, almost as if Zidanes actions were justified. Seems like a case of double standards to me.

And dont say now that zidane is legend, totti is fool, how can i even compare those two. But as some have mentioned, zidane has had also his troubles/problems, and his red cards. But just because the man has acchieved all what a footballer can in his career, he will be differantly treated. (i thought we live in the free world where the rules are the same for all, and that includes the legends of footballworld.)

I have nothing against zidane, his a former juventino after all, and even his departure has had a big/positive influence on juventus, as the money was used to get some new players in the positions what were needed.

But then sebi and some others come up with those, if it had been the other way round, italian player get assault bla bla. If for example dp would have headbutted makelele to the chest i would feel totally embarassed. as i was, when that disgraceful moment with totti spitting towards poulsen had happened

and well lets just remember usa supporters talks about derossi incident, eh? ban him from every game, yeah deserved. But now when zidane uses violence, nothing, his a great player, and materazzi deserved it bla bla.
Sure materazzi is a jerk, but just because one is/was legend, we forgive him? and i still say it, a player who is as expierenced as zidane is, should not have reacted like that, he knows that a lot of people admire him and his the example for a lot of kids who want to become footballers, besides, in a world cup final? what was the point to play so well against spain and brazil and bring your nation to wc final if you just flush all your fans dreams because of some idiot(materazzi). Zidane could have ended his career as 2 times world champion, a HUGE legend, but now everyone will remember him in that tournament with that reaction. In fact, it seems that this incident is taking the entire attention from the winners of the world cup, and i am not saying this as a biased italian fan, but world cup tournament should be remembered by the winners, not because of some stupid incident. But sadly this incident in the final will be the talking point for a long time.
This is really a good post summing up both points. Let me add some spice to the De Rossi incident.

True De Rossi deserved his ban for the elbow on McBride's face, but when Malouda put his elbow on his face, despite De Rossi suffering from lesser consequences, Malouda gets off freely. He should be booked for violent play
 

Enron

Tickle Me
Moderator
Oct 11, 2005
75,664
#88
ZhiXin said:
This is really a good post summing up both points. Let me add some spice to the De Rossi incident.

True De Rossi deserved his ban for the elbow on McBride's face, but when Malouda put his elbow on his face, despite De Rossi suffering from lesser consequences, Malouda gets off freely. He should be booked for violent play
The answer to your question is simple enough. No blood. If De Rossi had bled like McBride, Malouda probably would have received some sort of warning. Its not a good thing but it is true.
 

giovanotti

ONE MAN ARMY
Aug 13, 2004
13,725
#89
Stephan said:
Materazzi is an odious character and the way he insulted Zidane may have been wrong but at the end of the day you cannot justify an assault like that. Let me draw a parallel. In Euro 2004 when Totti spat at Poulsen, did we hear condemnation of Poulsen for winding Totti up? I think not, Totti was (rightly) condemned for his actions and nothing was mentioned about what Poulsen may have said to anger Totti. But in this case it seems many people want to somehow push the blame on Materazzi for winding up Zidane, almost as if Zidanes actions were justified. Seems like a case of double standards to me.

And dont say now that zidane is legend, totti is fool, how can i even compare those two. But as some have mentioned, zidane has had also his troubles/problems, and his red cards. But just because the man has acchieved all what a footballer can in his career, he will be differantly treated. (i thought we live in the free world where the rules are the same for all, and that includes the legends of footballworld.)

I have nothing against zidane, his a former juventino after all, and even his departure has had a big/positive influence on juventus, as the money was used to get some new players in the positions what were needed.

But then sebi and some others come up with those, if it had been the other way round, italian player get assault bla bla. If for example dp would have headbutted makelele to the chest i would feel totally embarassed. as i was, when that disgraceful moment with totti spitting towards poulsen had happened

and well lets just remember usa supporters talks about derossi incident, eh? ban him from every game, yeah deserved. But now when zidane uses violence, nothing, his a great player, and materazzi deserved it bla bla.
Sure materazzi is a jerk, but just because one is/was legend, we forgive him? and i still say it, a player who is as expierenced as zidane is, should not have reacted like that, he knows that a lot of people admire him and his the example for a lot of kids who want to become footballers, besides, in a world cup final? what was the point to play so well against spain and brazil and bring your nation to wc final if you just flush all your fans dreams because of some idiot(materazzi). Zidane could have ended his career as 2 times world champion, a HUGE legend, but now everyone will remember him in that tournament with that reaction. In fact, it seems that this incident is taking the entire attention from the winners of the world cup, and i am not saying this as a biased italian fan, but world cup tournament should be remembered by the winners, not because of some stupid incident. But sadly this incident in the final will be the talking point for a long time.
True that,especially that De Rossi part!:agree:
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
#90
Stephan said:
but for some reason, people seem to forget that all. a good footballer is a footballer with a good attitude. Sure his skillfull and has been successfull but there have also been controversial moments.
Since when? Is that the formula you use to determine a good footballer? PLeaase...dont get things mixed up here...
A good footballer means your footballing abilities are good....
A GOOD ROLE MODEL means good attitude!

Zidane may not be a good role model for what he did, but certainly he is a great footballer! Better than any Italian player on the pitch in the finals.


Oh btw, I am an Azurri supporter, have been since like 16 years ago...

But this Materazzi incedent has dented my joyous feelings...
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
#91
ZhiXin said:
This is really a good post summing up both points. Let me add some spice to the De Rossi incident.

True De Rossi deserved his ban for the elbow on McBride's face, but when Malouda put his elbow on his face, despite De Rossi suffering from lesser consequences, Malouda gets off freely. He should be booked for violent play

Actually Malouda's incident was less obvious, his body was in motion which makes the swing of his arm more natural (regardless whether it was intentional or not), but while De Rossi was just moving vertically up, and suddenly lashed out an elbow quickly...It was pretty obvious to me that it was some what intentional, perhaps he was just used to doing such things in the serie A or something..
 

- vOnAm -

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2004
3,779
#92
Stephan said:
Materazzi is an odious character and the way he insulted Zidane may have been wrong but at the end of the day you cannot justify an assault like that. Let me draw a parallel. In Euro 2004 when Totti spat at Poulsen, did we hear condemnation of Poulsen for winding Totti up? I think not, Totti was (rightly) condemned for his actions and nothing was mentioned about what Poulsen may have said to anger Totti. But in this case it seems many people want to somehow push the blame on Materazzi for winding up Zidane, almost as if Zidanes actions were justified. Seems like a case of double standards to me.

But then sebi and some others come up with those, if it had been the other way round, italian player get assault bla bla. If for example dp would have headbutted makelele to the chest i would feel totally embarassed. as i was, when that disgraceful moment with totti spitting towards poulsen had happened

and well lets just remember usa supporters talks about derossi incident, eh? ban him from every game, yeah deserved. But now when zidane uses violence, nothing, his a great player, and materazzi deserved it bla bla.
Sure materazzi is a jerk, but just because one is/was legend, we forgive him? and i still say it, a player who is as expierenced as zidane is, should not have reacted like that, he knows that a lot of people admire him and his the example for a lot of kids who want to become footballers, besides, in a world cup final? what was the point to play so well against spain and brazil and bring your nation to wc final if you just flush all your fans dreams because of some idiot(materazzi)



I think Zidane will get punished(like it matters) regardless the outcome of the investigation, the investigation is there to see whether Matrix deserved a punishment as well or not.

In all fairness to Fifa, they have been on a "Lets kick racism out of football" campaign for a long time. This is one of those momments when Fifa is put on the spot about their campaign, it would be wrong of them IMO that rumours are speculting of there bieng racists remarks on the field in a WC Final and not do a thing about it!

I understand your comparisons to Totti, and I don't know what sparked that fire, but there was no rumours of any racist remarks.
I think even you can understand that people have their limits to verbal abuse.

About Zidane's legendary status? It will be even more so as this incident became the highlight of the 2006 WC finals...a spectacular way to go...although not in a positive way....

His actions may not be justified, but his reasons may be understandable...we still have to wait to see....
 

Guzzler

Junior Member
Apr 14, 2006
131
#93
Zinedine Zidane could be stripped of his World Cup Golden Ball award, FIFA chief Joseph Blatter has stated.

The Frenchman pipped Fabio Cannavaro and Andrea Pirlo to the honour, but there is the possibility that FIFA could act to reverse the decision made by a panel of journalists after his head-butt on Marco Materazzi in the World Cup Final.

“I’ve ordered our disciplinary section to open an investigation regarding the incident,” Blatter told the Repubblica newspaper. “We’ll await their findings before taking any action.

“The winner of that award is not decided by FIFA, but by an international commission of journalists.

“Saying that, FIFA’s executive committee has the power and the need to intervene when dealing with comportments which go against the ethics of sport.

“But we have to wait for the time being. Being innocent until being proved guilty is a sacred principle.”

Zidane shocked the footballing community with his gesture, one which Blatter has admitted was rather unexpected.

“It hurt me,” he continued. “I’ve known Zidane for many years. Seeing him react like that was bad, for himself and for fair play.

“He was so distraught after the game that when the French officials told him to go and collect his medal, he replied by stating that he didn’t deserve a medal.”

The Italian newspaper also used the interview to ask Blatter why he wasn’t part of the ceremony in which the Azzurri were handed the World Cup trophy.

“I was convinced that the honour should have gone to my Vice-President and UEFA President Lennart Johansson,” he explained.

“The decision had already been taken after the quarter-finals when it became clear that the title would have gone to a European nation. I thought it was the right thing to do.”

Meanwhile, Zidane is set to speak publicly for the first time after his controversial red card on French television this evening.

Channel4.com/sport
 

Sianconero

Junior Member
Dec 13, 2005
441
#95
There's an Iranian Joke for this:

A journallist : "Mr Zidane what did Mr Materrazzi said to you that you got angry?!"
Zidane : "That fucking man insulted me. He said me Ali Daei !!!"
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
#98
Stephan said:
Materazzi is an odious character and the way he insulted Zidane may have been wrong but at the end of the day you cannot justify an assault like that. Let me draw a parallel. In Euro 2004 when Totti spat at Poulsen, did we hear condemnation of Poulsen for winding Totti up? I think not, Totti was (rightly) condemned for his actions and nothing was mentioned about what Poulsen may have said to anger Totti. But in this case it seems many people want to somehow push the blame on Materazzi for winding up Zidane, almost as if Zidanes actions were justified. Seems like a case of double standards to me.

And dont say now that zidane is legend, totti is fool, how can i even compare those two. But as some have mentioned, zidane has had also his troubles/problems, and his red cards. But just because the man has acchieved all what a footballer can in his career, he will be differantly treated. (i thought we live in the free world where the rules are the same for all, and that includes the legends of footballworld.)

I have nothing against zidane, his a former juventino after all, and even his departure has had a big/positive influence on juventus, as the money was used to get some new players in the positions what were needed.

But then sebi and some others come up with those, if it had been the other way round, italian player get assault bla bla. If for example dp would have headbutted makelele to the chest i would feel totally embarassed. as i was, when that disgraceful moment with totti spitting towards poulsen had happened

and well lets just remember usa supporters talks about derossi incident, eh? ban him from every game, yeah deserved. But now when zidane uses violence, nothing, his a great player, and materazzi deserved it bla bla.
Sure materazzi is a jerk, but just because one is/was legend, we forgive him? and i still say it, a player who is as expierenced as zidane is, should not have reacted like that, he knows that a lot of people admire him and his the example for a lot of kids who want to become footballers, besides, in a world cup final? what was the point to play so well against spain and brazil and bring your nation to wc final if you just flush all your fans dreams because of some idiot(materazzi). Zidane could have ended his career as 2 times world champion, a HUGE legend, but now everyone will remember him in that tournament with that reaction. In fact, it seems that this incident is taking the entire attention from the winners of the world cup, and i am not saying this as a biased italian fan, but world cup tournament should be remembered by the winners, not because of some stupid incident. But sadly this incident in the final will be the talking point for a long time.
great post

true there is a double standard, but there r reasons why ppl r making a big deal of this incident.
1- this is zidane, a legend.
2-this is his final game in proffesional football
3-it is a final of the world cup
4-the manner in which the incident occurred as zidane walked away then walked back to give marco the horns.
5-marco materazzi doesnt have the best reputation, he gave every player around him a hard time, not necessarily with his football skills.

those r all contributing factors to strike allegations like "racist" claims and other ones.

actually the racist thing is very interesting, it was just explained to me. There was a lip reader who saw the video before the incident.And she read that matrix said something racist to zidane, although she doesnt know italian which was the only communication method between the two players.She was working for BBC, so they said something abt it and the news travelled very fast.Although they "could" be very wrong.
 

Maresca

Senior Member
Aug 23, 2004
8,235
there is something I must tell you all.. I think I was gonna enjoy Italy world cup win more, if this whole story about Zidane was not there. If Materazzi really insulted his mother that I can only say well done zizou, and we all know how materazzi is. I hate him and I hate all interistas. they should be banned from NT.

forza Zidane
 

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