We have enough athletism in the side and speed already, we need someone to put the bastard ball in the net. Llorente does that very well. So it's a no brainer.
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None of Juve's current players are really all that comfortable being the focal point of an attack or playing with their back to goal, though. That's a major reason for none of Juve's strike pairings actually looking in any way compatible in most games.
More as in what?
Sure, you might find someone with better finishing or better dribbling or whatever, but Juve are very unlikely to be able to find a better overall player than Llorente.
More as in what?
Sure, you might find someone with better finishing or better dribbling or whatever, but Juve are very unlikely to be able to find a better overall player than Llorente.
Yes, and this is why I want Llorente to be signed (now that his price has come down).
The criticism that has been hailing down on Juve for almost a year now, is that we lack a "top player" upfront. Llorente is a good striker who can offer us something we currently lack, but he's not a "top player" in my opinion. But like I said, for this price, I'd carry him to Turin myself.
I agree with this.
The criticism that has been hailing down on Juve for almost a year now, is that we lack a "top player" upfront. Llorente is a good striker who can offer us something we currently lack, but he's not a "top player" in my opinion. But like I said, for this price, I'd carry him to Turin myself.
I agree with this.
In my opinion, you are overrating Llorente. As for Ibra, he's miles ahead of our transfer target when it comes to just about any attribute besides heading and pace.
That's fine, though, your opinion is based on what you've seen, and my opinion is based on what I've seen of him. My opinion is also slightly (but not overly) influenced by the fact that La Liga, defensively, is a very weak league. One thing is playing against the defender "Hugo Tapas" week in and week out, quite another is it to perform in the defensively oriented Serie-A, where defenders press hard and leave your ankles bruised in every game.
Still, like I said, he has qualities, he's a good striker, the price is good, we can't do any better, so I'd be delighted if The Great Man ™ were to open the chequebook for this player in January.
That's fine, though, your opinion is based on what you've seen, and my opinion is based on what I've seen of him. My opinion is also slightly (but not overly) influenced by the fact that La Liga, defensively, is a very weak league. One thing is playing against the defender "Hugo Tapas" week in and week out, quite another is it to perform in the defensively oriented Serie-A, where defenders press hard and leave your ankles bruised in every game.
Still, like I said, he has qualities, he's a good striker, the price is good, we can't do any better, so I'd be delighted if The Great Man ™ were to open the chequebook for this player in January.
I don't really watch La Liga.
My judgement is based more on Europa League games and international appearances, with the odd La Liga game thrown in.
And I'm not suggesting Llorente is at Ibrahimovic's level or anything close to it.
Part of the reason I fancy Llorente to succeed in Italy is his physicality.
He's not dependent of having lots of space (the lack of space being what tends to do for La Liga players in Italy) as he can still operate when being marked tightly due to his power and technique.
My judgement is based more on Europa League games and international appearances, with the odd La Liga game thrown in.
And I'm not suggesting Llorente is at Ibrahimovic's level or anything close to it.
Part of the reason I fancy Llorente to succeed in Italy is his physicality.
He's not dependent of having lots of space (the lack of space being what tends to do for La Liga players in Italy) as he can still operate when being marked tightly due to his power and technique.
I like those qualities of his as well, and I believe they will be of some use to us.
But I feel that we should work on a definition of what a "top player" is, because it's a phrase that has been thrown around for so long, and because of it, maybe it has lost it's meaning for a lot of people.
To me, a "top player", is someone who can win matches on his own, on a grey and lacklustre afternoon of football, when the rest of the team is playing like crap. Someone who can do that quite consistently.
But I feel that we should work on a definition of what a "top player" is, because it's a phrase that has been thrown around for so long, and because of it, maybe it has lost it's meaning for a lot of people.
To me, a "top player", is someone who can win matches on his own, on a grey and lacklustre afternoon of football, when the rest of the team is playing like crap. Someone who can do that quite consistently.
I've never liked the 'top player' tag that has been thrown about.
Much better to decide the type of player you want and then get the best one of that type, rather than just aiming for a 'top player', which leads to being linked with all sorts of different types of player (Llorente, Suarez, Jovetic) who have little in common and suggest the lack of a clear plan.
Based on your definition of 'top player', Juve don't need one.
Juve have a team that consistently wins games, so they don't need an individual to come in and do that.
Juve are very close to being a really good team and just need to add a good player of the right type to make the step up.
I think Llorente fits the bill.
Much better to decide the type of player you want and then get the best one of that type, rather than just aiming for a 'top player', which leads to being linked with all sorts of different types of player (Llorente, Suarez, Jovetic) who have little in common and suggest the lack of a clear plan.
Based on your definition of 'top player', Juve don't need one.
Juve have a team that consistently wins games, so they don't need an individual to come in and do that.
Juve are very close to being a really good team and just need to add a good player of the right type to make the step up.
I think Llorente fits the bill.
I'm not a huge fan of it myself, but you did use it a couple of posts back, and our discussion lead me to become curious about what you meant by it. And clearly, we don't share the same definition of that term.
Well, regardless of how good we are as a team, and how much team unity etc. plays a part in it, there's no doubt that a true world class player like for instance Cavani, or Ibra, would be highly beneficial to us. That said, such targets are unrealistic at the present time and we must focus on acquiring the best calibre of striker we possibly can.
And yes, I agree, Llorente fits the bill.
Well, regardless of how good we are as a team, and how much team unity etc. plays a part in it, there's no doubt that a true world class player like for instance Cavani, or Ibra, would be highly beneficial to us. That said, such targets are unrealistic at the present time and we must focus on acquiring the best calibre of striker we possibly can.
And yes, I agree, Llorente fits the bill.
Easy there Jem, he means something else.
First, the "top player "thing, indeed something the media is stuffing us with, and actually silly. Juventus is a team of "normal" players bar pirlo, that synergise extremely well. we see a vucinic that syngerises very well, nd doesnt even score or assist that many. the problem for a while is the striker next to him.
We have many players, that can score goals when given the chance, in diffrent ways.
Llorente, as red points out, will first of all be a good pairing with any SS we got, but will improve our play drastically.
With Llorente we would get a relatively technically gifted, physical target man. Having someone who can do what vucinic does, but much furter up the pitch, will be so amazing. on top of that we also get aeral domminance in the box, and a pretty good finisher.
Considering these things, he will bring juventus as a team to another level, while personally brings far better finishing then we got with feet or head.
And considering that, juventus will be better of with Llorente who fits so perfectly in our system, then other players who are clearly more talented individuals like villa, suarez,... because the total effect of him is better.
First, the "top player "thing, indeed something the media is stuffing us with, and actually silly. Juventus is a team of "normal" players bar pirlo, that synergise extremely well. we see a vucinic that syngerises very well, nd doesnt even score or assist that many. the problem for a while is the striker next to him.
We have many players, that can score goals when given the chance, in diffrent ways.
Llorente, as red points out, will first of all be a good pairing with any SS we got, but will improve our play drastically.
With Llorente we would get a relatively technically gifted, physical target man. Having someone who can do what vucinic does, but much furter up the pitch, will be so amazing. on top of that we also get aeral domminance in the box, and a pretty good finisher.
Considering these things, he will bring juventus as a team to another level, while personally brings far better finishing then we got with feet or head.
And considering that, juventus will be better of with Llorente who fits so perfectly in our system, then other players who are clearly more talented individuals like villa, suarez,... because the total effect of him is better.
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