Those two are not even the problem. However, I do think it's time for them to retire (Chiellini is officially retiring anyway).
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Yeah it has changed domestically, but away from home they're the same pussies. Thats how Sweden fucked Italy too.
Settling for a minimal loss/draw, match fitness myth before a fuckin CL final at then end of a long season ffs, waiting for the opponent, blaming luck/refs, "experience" over actual merit, grinta over brains, unnecessary rotation every fuckin game which results in misunderstanding during games, unfit players with shit stamina everywhere, so on so on.
All this bullshit toxic Calcio archaisms need to go already. Everyone has long moved on.
Settling for a minimal loss/draw, match fitness myth before a fuckin CL final at then end of a long season ffs, waiting for the opponent, blaming luck/refs, "experience" over actual merit, grinta over brains, unnecessary rotation every fuckin game which results in misunderstanding during games, unfit players with shit stamina everywhere, so on so on.
All this bullshit toxic Calcio archaisms need to go already. Everyone has long moved on.
I'll get bashed for saying this but Chiellini has a bit of a loser-ish mentality when it comes to CL.
His reaction in that Madrid game insinuating they pay refs was a bit Napoli-esque. And when often asked about winning the whole thing, his typical response would be 'we need to do well in CL' or 'reaching quarter finals is our target'. Not saying he isn't wrong or realistic but losing so many finals both with Italy and Juve would have surely made them lose all that confidence.
His reaction in that Madrid game insinuating they pay refs was a bit Napoli-esque. And when often asked about winning the whole thing, his typical response would be 'we need to do well in CL' or 'reaching quarter finals is our target'. Not saying he isn't wrong or realistic but losing so many finals both with Italy and Juve would have surely made them lose all that confidence.
I actually agree with Elvin wbout Chiellini's mentality. Hes a legend and a great person, but he did have some loser talk.
Bonu's mentality is comparable to Giorgio's if not worse however. He'll share posts saying, we'll learn from this and we need to channel this anger. Then we'll do even worse in our next games and then boom rinse and repeat. Just empty words from a paper leader
Bonu's mentality is comparable to Giorgio's if not worse however. He'll share posts saying, we'll learn from this and we need to channel this anger. Then we'll do even worse in our next games and then boom rinse and repeat. Just empty words from a paper leader
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They talk big only to shit their pants when it comes to it.
Ramos hit the most hilarous PK vs Bayern in a shooutout, Ronaldo missed one too.
Bayern got owned many many times, embarrasingly too, the 2012 final loss would put our entire club into depression. What did they do? They used that anger and fucked everyone next year.
Defeats made them stronger, not broke them.
This is the difference between players stuck in a comfort zone and true champions.
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They talk big only to shit their pants when it comes to it.
Ramos hit the most hilarous PK vs Bayern in a shooutout, Ronaldo missed one too.
Bayern got owned many many times, embarrasingly too, the 2012 final loss would put our entire club into depression. What did they do? They used that anger and fucked everyone next year.
Defeats made them stronger, not broke them.
This is the difference between players stuck in a comfort zone and true champions.
https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFile...lublicensing/02/64/06/95/2640695_DOWNLOAD.pdf
page 58, revenue per league. Page 62, top 30 clubs by revenue. Of course Italians win shit, they're financially in the same boat as France, well behind England, Spain and Germany. whats wrong with french clubs, also lacking in style? frogs haven't won in Europe for God knows how long, definitely not while I've been watching football.
If anything we should look at Porto and figure out how those guys are constantly outperforming their obviously shit situation when it comes to their financial power and the overall unattractiveness of primeira.
page 58, revenue per league. Page 62, top 30 clubs by revenue. Of course Italians win shit, they're financially in the same boat as France, well behind England, Spain and Germany. whats wrong with french clubs, also lacking in style? frogs haven't won in Europe for God knows how long, definitely not while I've been watching football.
If anything we should look at Porto and figure out how those guys are constantly outperforming their obviously shit situation when it comes to their financial power and the overall unattractiveness of primeira.
We need to get rid of them so Bernardeschi's, Bentancur's, Arthur's and Rabiot's superior mentality can shine through.
I know this sounds like bulldozing Turin and starting an Akoncity. I don't mean that we should do it all at once, but we should progressively phase out and replace through the years taking into account our budget
This stereotype has held on far longer than the reality. What's surprising is that it comes from someone who watches Italian football.
You're basically describing Juve out of frustration, not any other teams like Roma, Napoli or Atalanta from recent seasons. If you watched how Milan played against Man Utd away just yesterday it's obvious that this stereotype is dated. Coaches from the traditional Italian school might be more cautious, and that includes ones like Benitez or Mourinho, but it's increasingly common for progressive coaches to take charge. The obsession with tactics will remain for some time but tactics does not equate to defensive, it means control of the game in all phases. If anything, we have suffered precisely because Pirlo is this kind of modern progressive coach, and lacks the experience to know the limitations of his team and how to protect the defenders.
Sure, Juve are the only club/fans who complain about luck, refs or rest players. Fitness is also not important, players are robots...come off it.
Juve's mentality is what it is. Someone like Sacchi hates on us because we've never played the attacking football he played 30 years ago, but we've almost always been a moderately conservative team with strong players in all areas of the pitch who could control games. We've challenged when we've had a strong team, which is common sense, but we haven't had a strong team for a few years now. And we do need to shift our mentality more towards winning away games. A 1-1 is seen as a great result, but you can't play for a 1-1, and if you play for a 0-0 then you're likely to lose by one or two goals, and then the second leg becomes a lottery.
You're basically describing Juve out of frustration, not any other teams like Roma, Napoli or Atalanta from recent seasons. If you watched how Milan played against Man Utd away just yesterday it's obvious that this stereotype is dated. Coaches from the traditional Italian school might be more cautious, and that includes ones like Benitez or Mourinho, but it's increasingly common for progressive coaches to take charge. The obsession with tactics will remain for some time but tactics does not equate to defensive, it means control of the game in all phases. If anything, we have suffered precisely because Pirlo is this kind of modern progressive coach, and lacks the experience to know the limitations of his team and how to protect the defenders.
Sure, Juve are the only club/fans who complain about luck, refs or rest players. Fitness is also not important, players are robots...come off it.
Juve's mentality is what it is. Someone like Sacchi hates on us because we've never played the attacking football he played 30 years ago, but we've almost always been a moderately conservative team with strong players in all areas of the pitch who could control games. We've challenged when we've had a strong team, which is common sense, but we haven't had a strong team for a few years now. And we do need to shift our mentality more towards winning away games. A 1-1 is seen as a great result, but you can't play for a 1-1, and if you play for a 0-0 then you're likely to lose by one or two goals, and then the second leg becomes a lottery.
I'd rather not put him in a more centralized position. We rely heavily on his ability to run up and down the wing all match and dropping back if needed seeing as he's one of the only players with top fitness levels. By putting him up front we won't be utilizing him properly in that respect. The players would have to provide to him, which is his job. He already does a great job of cutting in and driving the ball into the box.
Its bad enough that we play a lot of our players out of their natural position anyway. I'd rather we didn't misuse this guy too.
Its bad enough that we play a lot of our players out of their natural position anyway. I'd rather we didn't misuse this guy too.
you know what i like about chiesa?
when he fucks up a pass or a shot, he doesnt apologize when his doofus teamates scream at him. i saw him give morata, sandro, ramsey, cuadrado the "the fuck you looking at? the fuck you gonna do about it?" face with the bulging eyes and the hand movement
thats a player who believes in himself and doesn't see others as above him.
mental strength like ronaldo.
when he fucks up a pass or a shot, he doesnt apologize when his doofus teamates scream at him. i saw him give morata, sandro, ramsey, cuadrado the "the fuck you looking at? the fuck you gonna do about it?" face with the bulging eyes and the hand movement
thats a player who believes in himself and doesn't see others as above him.
mental strength like ronaldo.
He doesn't seem to have as "friendly" a relationship with the other players as some seem to, which I quite like. He goes in and does his thing, just steamrollers his way through a game and doesn't seem to care if someone with a fragile ego is upset because he doesn't make the right pass. Whether that's one of the leaders of the team, or Ronaldo, or a young player, it's instantly forgotten and he goes back to his game.
It's a shame we don't have a few more players like him. Barella is quite similar for Inter, but a massive bitch diver with it.
It's a shame we don't have a few more players like him. Barella is quite similar for Inter, but a massive bitch diver with it.