Dubai Virgin Radio Dj fired for offensive comments on god (5 Viewers)

[Seven]

I get the feeling some people enjoy freedom of speech just for the sake of it. It's like if I gave a 5 year old the permission to eat as much candy as he wants. He would be the happiest person on earth and he would laugh at all the other kids without knowing that he's harming himself.

Having grown up in Sweden I have no problems with the idea of free speech at all. My only problem with it is that it's increasingly used in the wrong way. What good comes out of making a cartoon of the man held at the utmost respect to billions people? Is it for the sake of art? Is it for the 10 secs of chuckles some people have? What good comes from it?

Why not draw a picture of a black man being turned down for a job position when he's equally qualified as the white man that got the job? Why not draw a picture of how a woman gets paid less for doing the same job as a man? All those would be perfect uses of free speech.

It's because not making one means that we all bow to the same people. That means those people could be tyrants. Making such a cartoon has more meaning than you think.

 

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[Ahmed]

those "people" could also easily be considerate people who respect other people's beliefs

 

[Bjerknes]

those "people" could also easily be considerate people who respect other people's beliefs

Obviously they didn't because they started burning their flags, trying to kill them, along with all the bullshit.

 

[Bjerknes]

No it's NOT idiotic...the same way that Don Imus offended a lot of people, this DJ offended a lot of people over here...it is only you guys who think it was idiotic...

It's idiotic because he imitated God? So what?

I'll refer to Seven's famous retort here about bending over.

 

[Enron]

I get the feeling some people enjoy freedom of speech just for the sake of it. It's like if I gave a 5 year old the permission to eat as much candy as he wants. He would be the happiest person on earth and he would laugh at all the other kids without knowing that he's harming himself.

Having grown up in Sweden I have no problems with the idea of free speech at all. My only problem with it is that it's increasingly used in the wrong way. What good comes out of making a cartoon of the man held at the utmost respect to billions people? Is it for the sake of art? Is it for the 10 secs of chuckles some people have? What good comes from it?

Why not draw a picture of a black man being turned down for a job position when he's equally qualified as the white man that got the job? Why not draw a picture of how a woman gets paid less for doing the same job as a man? All those would be perfect uses of free speech.

This doesn't really work with the kid-candy analogy. Look at it this way. Can I run through town screaming Nigger without having some sort of societal reproccusion?

Wait. So if freedom of speech is not universal, than whose standards do we hold it to? Is the Danish newspaper responsible for the reactions in muslim nations thousands of miles away, when the Danish culture does not adhere to the same societal norms of the Middle East? It seems as if you would like a universal standard as opposed to the "when in Rome" standard. Is that what we're getting at? If so what beliefs, morals, or standards are universal? When is something considered insulting?

Secondly, at least in the newspapers I read you can find those cartoons you speak of.

 

[Bjerknes]

I get the feeling some people enjoy freedom of speech just for the sake of it. It's like if I gave a 5 year old the permission to eat as much candy as he wants. He would be the happiest person on earth and he would laugh at all the other kids without knowing that he's harming himself.

Having grown up in Sweden I have no problems with the idea of free speech at all. My only problem with it is that it's increasingly used in the wrong way. What good comes out of making a cartoon of the man held at the utmost respect to billions people? Is it for the sake of art? Is it for the 10 secs of chuckles some people have? What good comes from it?

Why not draw a picture of a black man being turned down for a job position when he's equally qualified as the white man that got the job? Why not draw a picture of how a woman gets paid less for doing the same job as a man? All those would be perfect uses of free speech.

People believe Bush is a great president and they're offended by all sorts of cartoons.

People make cartoons about dumb Americans all the time.

People make cartoons about Jesus all the time, yet Catholics don't make a stink about it.

And please don't give the usual retort that is absolutely meaningless - "you don't understand." BS.

now thats just stupid.

What I said, or outlawing Danes?

 

[Fred]

People believe Bush is a great president and they're offended by all sorts of cartoons.

People make cartoons about dumb Americans all the time.

People make cartoons about Jesus all the time, yet Catholics don't make a stink about it.

And please don't give the usual retort that is absolutely meaningless - "you don't understand." BS.



What I said, or outlawing Danes?

outlawing all Danes because of the acts of an extreme minority of them.

 

[Ahmed]

This doesn't really work with the kid-candy analogy. Look at it this way. Can I run through town screaming Nigger without having some sort of societal reproccusion?

Wait. So if freedom of speech is not universal, than whose standards do we hold it to? Is the Danish newspaper responsible for the reactions in muslim nations thousands of miles away, when the Danish culture does not adhere to the same societal norms of the Middle East? It seems as if you would like a universal standard as opposed to the "when in Rome" standard. Is that what we're getting at? If so what beliefs, morals, or standards are universal? When is something considered insulting?

Secondly, at least in the newspapers I read you can find those cartoons you speak of.

you hold it to the standards of your current location

 

[Enron]

outlawing all Danes because of the acts of an extreme minority of them.

I agree. That was a rather strange reaction. How many Danes could there be in the Sudan?

And how many Sudanese can afford to own a Dane?

 

[Enron]

you hold it to the standards of your current location

Ah. Since Denmark and the Middle East are two separate locations with different standards. We can assume standards in Denmark regarding comedy and religion are different than those in the Middle East. Therefore, it isn't the fault of Denmark that cartoons deemed acceptable in Denmark cause riots in the Middle East. Is that a fair assessment?

 

[Bjerknes]

you hold it to the standards of your current location

The Danes made that cartoon in DENMARK! So try again man.

 

[Bjerknes]

Ah. Since Denmark and the Middle East are two separate locations with different standards. We can assume standards in Denmark regarding comedy and religion are different than those in the Middle East. Therefore, it isn't the fault of Denmark that cartoons deemed acceptable in Denmark cause riots in the Middle East. Is that a fair assessment?

No, it's not, because people are grasping for excuses.

 

[Zé Tahir]

It's because not making one means that we all bow to the same people. That means those people could be tyrants. Making such a cartoon has more meaning than you think.

So the cartoons are a way of showing that not everyone bows to the same person? Gees, I don't like the police, maybe I ought to throw shit at them next time. What ever happened to a good old "I beg to disagree" comment?

What people could be tyrants?

 

[Ahmed]

Ah. Since Denmark and the Middle East are two separate locations with different standards. We can assume standards in Denmark regarding comedy and religion are different than those in the Middle East. Therefore, it isn't the fault of Denmark that cartoons deemed acceptable in Denmark cause riots in the Middle East. Is that a fair assessment?

The Danes made that cartoon in DENMARK! So try again man.

it sure is a fair assessment...but what did it achieve? how does it equate to comedy when a billion people are offended by it? you can't blame the Danes for the stupid overreaction of people over here, but they should be sensible enough to see the realities as well

 

[Enron]

So the cartoons are a way of showing that not everyone bows to the same person? Gees, I don't like the police, maybe I ought to throw shit at them next time. What ever happened to a good old "I beg to disagree" comment?

What people could be tyrants?

Probably get arrested for that considering it leaves the realm of speech. You could certainly draw a mocking cartoon to show that you don't agree with them.

 

[Enron]

it sure is a fair assessment...but what did it achieve? how does it equate to comedy when a billion people are offended by it? you can't blame the Danes for the stupid overreaction of people over here, but they should be sensible enough to see the realities as well

People make fun of the US all the time in foreign press. Do we get all offended and "bring down the house"? Technically, those cartoons or statements are insulting and few million people.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Look, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the West gets shivers down the spine at the sound of Islam. If Islam wasn't spreading at the rate it is due to its righteous teachings than no one would ever complain: anyone ever complained about Buddhists? No.

You can blame that on Islamic extremism all you want but we all know that they represent a very small amount.

 

[icemaη]

People believe Bush is a great president and they're offended by all sorts of cartoons.

People make cartoons about dumb Americans all the time.

People make cartoons about Jesus all the time, yet Catholics don't make a stink about it.

And please don't give the usual retort that is absolutely meaningless - "you don't understand." BS.



What I said, or outlawing Danes?

Just because Catholics don't care about their prophet doesn't mean we shouldn't... And yeah you don't understand... you say you are open minded and all that BS, but you won't understand... you won't understand because you are not willing to understand our belief system... you don't understand because you don't believe in anything... and you'll never understand until you begin to understand our sentiments... i don't like bringing up the cartoon topic over and over again... if you had put Osama's picture nobody would get offended... put Saddam, the Saudi King, the UAE president... not many would care...
you say free speech that free speech this, when your countries never give anybody else the right to live their life... we'll bring democracy to Iraq, thats what your president said... years on apart from thousands of people getting killed nothing has happened... Yes, Saddam was a dictator, but at least those people dead today would still have been alive... but no, we've to ruin the peace of a nation promising them of democracy... the same thing with free speech... you go to the extent of causing violence among a large community... is it worth it? is risking the lives of many people worth it?
you can't call a black guy a nigger because it offends him/his community... so whats the exception with Muslims? you can't draw pictures of his prophet, it offends him... but no, thats not acceptable, its free speech... nigger is not free speech, cartoons are? isn't that double standard? doesn't that contradict the very nature of free speech?

 

[Bjerknes]

it sure is a fair assessment...but what did it achieve? how does it equate to comedy when a billion people are offended by it? you can't blame the Danes for the stupid overreaction of people over here, but they should be sensible enough to see the realities as well

So they shouldn't make such cartoons just because some are offended by it?

People can be offended by anything. Seriously, this stuff is blown so much out of proportion all the time that it's just sickening - more sick than the cartoon itself.

If it offends people then just don't FUCKING LOOK AT IT!

Is that so God-damned hard to do?

 

[Enron]

Look, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the West gets shivers down the spine at the sound of Islam. If Islam wasn't spreading at the rate it is due to its righteous teachings than no one would ever complain: anyone ever complained about Buddhists? No.

You can blame that on Islamic extremism all you want but we all know that they represent a very small amount.

There it is. The "everybody hates Islam" card. Hoped I wouldn't see it.