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Stopped reading here. Absolutely retarded post.
Hate to say this but I guess I might as well since we're all being so frank with each other these days: Christianity is a dying religion and it's not surprising. 99% of my friends from 'Christian' part of the world are atheists. The 1% that does believe in God has rejected church entirely.
If you make cartoons depicting Jesus the only people to complain would be the Pope and Bible Belt America...heck I'll throw in parts of Australia just for the heck of it. Everyone else could give rats ass about it and these people are the majority now. They'll probably be offended by "knock knock" joke before they're offended by a depiction of Jesus taking a dump.
If you make cartoons depicting Jesus the only people to complain would be the Pope and Bible Belt America...heck I'll throw in parts of Australia just for the heck of it. Everyone else could give rats ass about it and these people are the majority now. They'll probably be offended by "knock knock" joke before they're offended by a depiction of Jesus taking a dump.
I understand the Muslim belief system, but I'm not going to bend over backwards to appease them. If I want to make a cartoon about their God, too bad, it's their problem if they're going to get offended. They laugh at various aspects of our Gods and culture as well, so they're just being walking Qu-ran thumpers with hypocrite written in a language they don't understand on their foreheads.
I'm sure that the cartoonists knew that their would be protests over the cartoons, but I doubt they expected the magnitude of the response. And in that sense, the cartoon story is actually an important one, because it shows what can happen just from something tiny as that. The cartoons were published in a Danish paper, they were not shoved in every person's face worldwide. And yet the response was global so to say. I think taught us something about the world, don't you think? Just how much ignorance and fanaticism there exists around the world. Someone who isn't a Muslim and therefore never promised to abide by the laws of Muslims can get frickin death threats and bounties on his head for drawing a caricature. People could have just said "I beg to differ" like Ze suggests, or been angry internally about a depiction of their personal god, but many didn't. Many protested, some made a public affair spreading violence.
To go back my discussion with Salman earlier, to me the true test of how civilized a society (or forum community for that matter) is can be measured by how they react to a troll. Obviously, the cartoons were more than trolling, they were a protest against oppression first and foremost. But for people who judge it to be pure trolling, how do they respond to it? That is the answer that interests me.
To go back my discussion with Salman earlier, to me the true test of how civilized a society (or forum community for that matter) is can be measured by how they react to a troll. Obviously, the cartoons were more than trolling, they were a protest against oppression first and foremost. But for people who judge it to be pure trolling, how do they respond to it? That is the answer that interests me.
Let Christianity die. Who cares? But the fact is, I grew up with Catholics who had passion for their faith. When people made fun of them or their God, they didn't start burning flags, that's for sure. They prayed or looked away instead. But no, they didn't perform cold-blooded BS like your friends in various parts of the world just because of a cartoon. Sorry stuff by your fellow believers, I must say.
But one of the various things Islam and Christianity have in common is hypocrisy.
But one of the various things Islam and Christianity have in common is hypocrisy.
Do you consider South and Central America part of the West? Christianity is very alive in those regions.
It's really not a question of validity of religion. Christianity is no more valid than Islam considering they represent the same things at their simplest.
It's really a question of affluence. The countries in which religion is struggling tend to be very affluent. They have good medical care, good social programs, a decent education system, and people tend to have other options in their lives than religion. These nations also tend to be much more socially, ethnically, and racially diverse than others.
Now take a look at the nations where religion is thriving, be it Christianity or Islam. Most of the nations in the Middle East, South/Central America, and Africa are developing. Even though some Middle Eastern countries are wealthy the majority lives in poverty and doesn't have the same access to social systems such as health care or education. The people then are indirectly forced to seek help from the only source available... the church. Whether Christian or Islamic churches provide much to people in these areas. The provide health care, an education of some sort, and most of all hope and the ability to look toward something better.
It's not a question of whether the East is more moral than the West. There's no difference in morality. The difference is in wealth.
Now that does bring some very interesting questions. Does wealth breed immorality? Can someone lead a moral life without religion? Two very interesting questions with many answers.
It's really not a question of validity of religion. Christianity is no more valid than Islam considering they represent the same things at their simplest.
It's really a question of affluence. The countries in which religion is struggling tend to be very affluent. They have good medical care, good social programs, a decent education system, and people tend to have other options in their lives than religion. These nations also tend to be much more socially, ethnically, and racially diverse than others.
Now take a look at the nations where religion is thriving, be it Christianity or Islam. Most of the nations in the Middle East, South/Central America, and Africa are developing. Even though some Middle Eastern countries are wealthy the majority lives in poverty and doesn't have the same access to social systems such as health care or education. The people then are indirectly forced to seek help from the only source available... the church. Whether Christian or Islamic churches provide much to people in these areas. The provide health care, an education of some sort, and most of all hope and the ability to look toward something better.
It's not a question of whether the East is more moral than the West. There's no difference in morality. The difference is in wealth.
Now that does bring some very interesting questions. Does wealth breed immorality? Can someone lead a moral life without religion? Two very interesting questions with many answers.
There are extremists in Christianity so don't go there. It wasn't too long ago that people were being lynched for being a different skin color. Apparently they believed the Bible gave them the right to slavery.
Second of all, if the jokes directed at their God were coming from the Muslim world then you best believe they would be burning flags as well. They have the misfortune of being ridiculed by their own people within their own country.
Now excuse me for going on a bit of a tangent here though I believe its related if you really think about it.
Do yourself a favour. Go and get a National Geographic from the 1970's and read about North Western Pakistan, the same place where the Taliban have a strong hold today. If you don't break into tears after reading about the treatment the National Geographic journalists got from these people then you have no heart.
These poor decimated, war torn, and displaced people treated these journalists better than they would ones own family. Just at the site of an American in their village filled them with happiness and they opened their homes for these people. They were fully aware that they were in their predicament because of their country, yet they whipped out their finest plates, their finest clothes, their finest furniture and made the best food from what they could afford.
These are the same people that you refer to as terrorists without thinking twice about it.
Second of all, if the jokes directed at their God were coming from the Muslim world then you best believe they would be burning flags as well. They have the misfortune of being ridiculed by their own people within their own country.
Now excuse me for going on a bit of a tangent here though I believe its related if you really think about it.
Do yourself a favour. Go and get a National Geographic from the 1970's and read about North Western Pakistan, the same place where the Taliban have a strong hold today. If you don't break into tears after reading about the treatment the National Geographic journalists got from these people then you have no heart.
These poor decimated, war torn, and displaced people treated these journalists better than they would ones own family. Just at the site of an American in their village filled them with happiness and they opened their homes for these people. They were fully aware that they were in their predicament because of their country, yet they whipped out their finest plates, their finest clothes, their finest furniture and made the best food from what they could afford.
These are the same people that you refer to as terrorists without thinking twice about it.
Christianity is very much alive in South America, but what do they have to offer to the world? Oil is in the Muslim world and until Hugo Chavez came into power no one was concerned about Venezuela. The United States has had South America in its sphere of influence for a very long time now, so if there was anything they want they can just take. That doesn't work for the Middle East...hence a clash of heads.
To answer the other parts of your post: I don't defend the Muslim countries of the world. I am one of the biggest opponents of it. They don't practice anything that Islam teaches. Before the idea of democracy even came about, Islam preached that all men and women are created equal, the idea of universal health care, the idea of freedom of thought and speech.
Somewhere in history Muslims decided to go off track and God gave it to those who wanted to better themselves. Hence the West is thriving today.
To answer the other parts of your post: I don't defend the Muslim countries of the world. I am one of the biggest opponents of it. They don't practice anything that Islam teaches. Before the idea of democracy even came about, Islam preached that all men and women are created equal, the idea of universal health care, the idea of freedom of thought and speech.
Somewhere in history Muslims decided to go off track and God gave it to those who wanted to better themselves. Hence the West is thriving today.
Islam in its truest form is a positive influence. Martin, if there's anything you have to take away from all the religious conversation we've had on the forums is that I don't belong to mainstream Islam.
@Andy (or anyone else that's interested): http://www.travelpod.com/blogs/0/Pakistan.html
@Andy (or anyone else that's interested): http://www.travelpod.com/blogs/0/Pakistan.html
You see, that's where your problem is. Everyone says what they practice is the most pure, the most true way. Noone is gonna say "we practice a kind of diluted, washed out brand of islam". Noone would say they do half assed democracy, or watered down capitalism.
Of course, it's true for the person who's saying it. It doesn't make any sense to practice religion in some way that isn't true to yourself. But it's no way to have a conversation, cause everyone claims to be the more pure, most true.
Of course, it's true for the person who's saying it. It doesn't make any sense to practice religion in some way that isn't true to yourself. But it's no way to have a conversation, cause everyone claims to be the more pure, most true.
people are swayed to evil very easily, a terrorist will always think he is right, even the most evil terrorist, he will believe he is doing right, he doesn't think to himself, oooo i'm so evil hehehehehe i love being evil, that's the problem, when they justify being good, by the way, is it just me or has this thread completely gon off track a little?
... the topic will be back to the DJ in a couple of pages