Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (186 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

didn't you just say that you need those rules for guidance? so if they're obvious what good are they?

Looking at the morality in scripture, I draw the conclusion that there were/are a LOT of stupid people who can't tell right from wrong without religion.

It reminded me of the first time I confessed my sins to a priest (my first communion). Gawd, it felt exactly like you said, "poof" and I got all that weight off my shoulders The power of the human brain.

Goodbye, moral accountability!

 

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[Hust]

Ah so you need incentive to be a good person? Not very Christian of you.

Well, that's part of our imperfection, right? Not sure where you fall on religion but my understanding tells me that only one perfect person ever existed. Call me a fish (threw that in for "peace", get it? )for taking that hook, line and sinker but I know better than anyone that I'm not perfect: I have my sins, history, etc but I know where I have went wrong and what needs to happen to address it starting with acknowledging that and asking for forgiveness.

Think about this Martin. If a child is raised never seeing the 10 commandments or what they mean and that its ok to cheat on your wife or steal it isn't obvious, right?

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Looking at the morality in scripture, I draw the conclusion that there were/are a LOT of stupid people who can't tell right from wrong without religion.

And is it their fault that they are stupid? Or is it perhaps a way to help those whose brains aren't proportionate to everyone elses?

 

[Martin]

People quite often do contrary to the commandments. Is it obvious to them or not is a question you need to ask them.

If someone never read or heard of the commandments, it can't be obvious now can it?

you lost me

 

[Raz]

The big question is not whether or not god exists. It's why a well-educated person like ILiveForJuve feels the need to convert his religious friends to atheism. Is it because he thinks it will make their lives better? Is it because he thinks it will make the world better? Of course not. He just wants to win an argument so he can think to himself that he's "right". This is the kind of thinking that makes me sick. ILiveForJuve is a disgusting human being and makes me want to join a religion.

Spot on. except the last part, i have no idea if he's disgusting human being.

 

[Martin]

Think about this Martin. If a child is raised never seeing the 10 commandments or what they mean and that its ok to cheat on your wife or steal it isn't obvious, right?

so what were people doing before Moses got the tablets? was everyone immoral?

what about people who've never heard of any form of organized religion (eg. remote tribe)? do they have no understanding of morality?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

And is it their fault that they are stupid? Or is it perhaps a way to help those whose brains aren't proportionate to everyone elses?

I'm not blaming them. In fact, it's one of the reasons why I think religion is so widespread. Thank goodness it helps, but I'd be much happier if they were good for better reasons.

 

[zizinho]

It's Marchisio's wife I like.

why am i not surprised

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

To be fair to Xians, humans be nice mostly for selfish reasons, even if subconsciously

 

[Hust]

I'm not blaming them. In fact, it's one of the reasons why I think religion is so widespread. Thank goodness it helps, but I'd be much happier if they were good for better reasons.

Such as?

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why am i not surprised

I don't know.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Such as?

Altruism.

 

[Martin]

To be fair to Xians, humans be nice mostly for selfish reasons, even if subconsciously

because it feels nice to be nice.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

because it feels nice to be nice.

So we can haz friends who will lets us be part if the tribe and not starve

 

[Hængebøffer]

Think about this Martin. If a child is raised never seeing the 10 commandments or what they mean and that its ok to cheat on your wife or steal it isn't obvious, right?

Are you serious?

 

[Hust]

Are you serious?

The question is for Martin. What don't you understand?

 

[Völler]

Spot on. except the last part, i have no idea if he's disgusting human being.

Believe me, he is. That can be scientifically proven.

 

[Enron]

The question is for Martin. What don't you understand?

You may want to reconstruct that sentence.

 

[Post Ironic]

The big question is not whether or not god exists. It's why a well-educated person like ILiveForJuve feels the need to convert his religious friends to atheism. Is it because he thinks it will make their lives better? Is it because he thinks it will make the world better? Of course not. He just wants to win an argument so he can think to himself that he's "right". This is the kind of thinking that makes me sick. ILiveForJuve is a disgusting human being and makes me want to join a religion.

 

[TrezJuve]

Barf

 

[Hust]

You may want to reconstruct that sentence.

Wont matter. I'm already labeled one of the lunatics.

 

[IliveForJuve]

The big question is not whether or not god exists. It's why a well-educated person like ILiveForJuve feels the need to convert his religious friends to atheism. Is it because he thinks it will make their lives better? Is it because he thinks it will make the world better? Of course not. He just wants to win an argument so he can think to himself that he's "right". This is the kind of thinking that makes me sick. ILiveForJuve is a disgusting human being and makes me want to join a religion.

You obviously didn't read my post concerning my friend and the discussion we had. Or maybe you chose to distort it for the sake of being fun.