Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (33 Viewers)

[Nzoric]

Ahh OK when I have time I will look into it although I find him a bit spaztic

Hey, if I'm forced to pick a side in the whole debate I'm with him and yet I find him a bit offensive at times. Though I'm more and more inclined to agree with him on the whole tearing down ordinary morality and constructing a new one that isn't based on religion.

 

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[Maddy]

Hold up I have no disdain for non believers. I don't give them attitude or mock them. I discuss what I see. PS scientifical isn't a word

u do mock and u do give attitude. try readin what u write. just cause u hide behind ur religious believe changes nothing.

oh i put "al" on scientific. boo hoo. at least i know what the word means.

 

[swag]

Yes but I'm not antagonist about it. I also have doubts at times don't think that my faith is always rock solid. Youre problem is you worry too much about looking gullible or less intelligent. The search for God in the end is your own and what others think means shit

This is a really insightful point, btw.

Good on ya.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The fact is your actions and responses show a disdain for believes and their arguments /beliefs so this is why people perceive you as closed off and arrogant

It's not a fact. It's your perception of me. It's subjective.

It can never happen as the whole foundation was built of Jude/Christian morals almost all our laws come from the basis which is the 10 commandments

Doesn't the concept of a secular nation go against the first 2 commandments? Also, can you point our which US laws were derived from the "no graven image" and "don't take the lords name in vain" commandments?

 

[Nzoric]

Maddy, start spelling properly or I'll have to find you and give you a dumflad.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Hold up I have no disdain for non believers. I don't give them attitude or mock them. I discuss what I see. PS scientifical isn't a word

It is.

 

[Martin]

The one thing I do kind of admire a lot of religions for relative to atheism is that they often believe in the progressive reveal... the idea that learning is a journey and you gain more wisdom out of it the more you go on that journey. We have massive counter-examples, of course, where "Stay off the lawn" signs are prominently displayed around things like homosexuality, birth control, women's rights, etc., etc. But it's the general concept of a life committed to continual learning.

Another baffling paragraph. Am I being trolled?

What exactly is in in religion that the more you study it the more you learn? What is it that you learn apart from "insight" that has no empirical basis and therefore 100% subjective?

 

[swag]

This is just the kind of psychanalytical argument that can never be disproved. "Even if you don't believe you still believe because not believing is also believing" etc. If believing in god and not believing in god are both called religion then what does religion mean exactly?

Well, if we want to get into semantic arguments, we can just stick the whole lot in "metaphysical beliefs". Not very sexy, but it will do the job.

In either case, the terms are of only secondary importance.

 

[Maddy]

Maddy, start spelling properly or I'll have to find you and give you a dumflad.

god didnt intend to!

 

[AndreaCristiano]

u do mock and u do give attitude. try readin what u write. just cause u hide behind ur religious believe changes nothing.

oh i put "al" on scientific. boo hoo. at least i know what the word means.

No I don't mock. Telling Kate her opinion of where the ten commandments came from was irrelevant to my point wasnt mockery was pointing out the facts

 

[AndreaCristiano]

This is a really insightful point, btw.

Good on ya.

Thanks man most people don't get the chance to actually know me, they all have preconceptions because I'm a Christian

 

[swag]

Another baffling paragraph. Am I being trolled?

What exactly is in in religion that the more you study it the more you learn? What is it that you learn apart from "insight" that has no empirical basis and therefore 100% subjective?

Martin, I think you're conflating internal knowledge with external knowledge as the only true form of knowledge.

 

[Nzoric]

god didnt intend to!

When I knock on your door I'll be God.

 

[Maddy]

No I don't mock. Telling Kate her opinion of where the ten commandments came from was irrelevant to my point wasnt mockery was pointing out the facts

calling me out on scientifical, despite it being correct, wasnt mocking?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's not a fact. It's your perception of me. It's subjective.



Doesn't the concept of a secular nation go against the first 2 commandments? Also, can you point our which US laws were derived from the "no graven image" and "don't take the lords name in vain" commandments?

See its shit like this that makes you seem the way I perceive you. Everyone knows that the basis of the foundation of america was those commandments and that moral system. Yet you pick literal commandments to try and be a smart ass

 

[Hængebøffer]

@andrea
I forgot, but are you educated within theology?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It is.

No it isn't

 

[Martin]

Martin, I think you're conflating internal knowledge with external knowledge as the only true form of knowledge.

To quote swag just a few posts higher up "terms are of only secondary importance", so if it doesn't matter what religion means then I guess it doesn't matter what knowledge means either?

 

[Nzoric]

@andrea
I forgot, but are you educated within theology?

No, he took a crash course in "protecting from evil" at the Templar University in Jersey.

 

[Kate]

No I don't mock. Telling Kate her opinion of where the ten commandments came from was irrelevant to my point wasnt mockery was pointing out the facts

I don't think it is irrelevant, though, to try and better understand where something comes from in order to better understand where we could be going.