Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (8 Viewers)

[Hængebøffer]

Vestibular, kinesthetic - don't make me google the rest

 

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[Raz]

Vestibular, kinesthetic - don't make me google the rest

I kind of fail to see how that doesn't use the five senses and is something new.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I kind of fail to see how that doesn't use the five senses and is something new.

Those two senses are hidden and if you fail to the new, I will advise you to read about sense integration.

Edit: Thought of another one - heat. You can feel heat without using any of your basic 5 senses

 

[Raz]

Those two senses are hidden and if you fail to the new, I will advise you to read about sense integration.

Edit: Thought of another one - heat. You can feel heat without using any of your basic 5 senses

I guess cold too then? I don't think you get the concept of this. Just for the record you don't need to touch things with your fingertips to use the sense touch.

And the hidden part made me chuckle a bit

 

[Hængebøffer]

I guess cold too then? I don't think you get the concept of this.

And the hidden part made be chuckle a bit

Nah, you don't get it. If you do some quick googling, you will learn that within neurology, they work with 9 senses.
There is plenty of empirical data that proves me right.

Edit: Why did it make you chuckle?

 

[Raz]

You don't get. If you do some quick googling, you will learn that within neurology, they work with 9 senses.
There is plenty of empirical data that proves me right.

Quick google search... "any fool can know, the point is to understand"

Anyway, even if it's a stupid argument of mine, it still stands I think, what you don't see doesn't mean it don't exists.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Quick google search... "any fool can know, the point is to understand"

Anyway, even if it's a stupid argument of mine, it still stands I think, what you don't see doesn't mean it don't exists.

I came with a perfectly fine example (heat) - prove me wrong then.

 

[Raz]

I came with a perfectly fine example (heat) - prove me wrong then.

You want me to prove that there is no heat? Why?

Or that those senses you say do no exist? Again, why?

It's so surreal it seems all you want to do is argue without any reason whatsoever, and even without topic too, just for the sake of it.

 

[Hængebøffer]

You want me to prove that there is no heat? Why?

Or that those senses you say do no exist? Again, why?

It's so surreal it seems all you want to do is argue without any reason whatsoever, and even without topic too, just for the sake of it.

Kids debates better than you do right now. We talked about senses and you have given me nothing that proves me wrong.
But hey, you don't think body awareness is a hidden sense, so I'm the stupid one arguing with you.

 

[Raz]

Kids debates better than you do right now. We talked about senses and you have given me nothing that proves me wrong.
But hey, you don't think body awareness is a hidden sense, so I'm the stupid one arguing with you.

The problem is you don't understand that I didn't debate or even tried to dabate senses and their existence. All I said is that if you cant sense something with your regular senses doesn't that mean it doesn't exist, you switched topic about debating senses and their existence, which I never tried to dabate, I just asked you to name others and doing a quick google search you did name few, that's all.

 

[Maddy]

ur senses are so easily manipulated by ur mind that they obviously do not give any proof of whether or not ur superstitious beliefs are correct.

therefore those who have 'felt' god have as good a case as those who've seen a ufo.

so can we all just skip these middle age thought processes and accept that religion is just old school philosophy, law, norms and so on.

thx

 

[Raz]

ur senses are so easily manipulated by ur mind that they obviously do not give any proof of whether or not ur superstitious beliefs are correct.

therefore those who have 'felt' god have as good a case as those who've seen a ufo.

so can we all just skip these middle age thought process and accept that religion is just old school philosophy, law, norms and so on.

thx

Ok, moving on then nothing left to see here

 

[Hængebøffer]

The problem is you don't understand that I didn't debate or even tried to dabate senses and their existence. All I said is that if you cant sense something with your regular senses doesn't that mean it doesn't exist, you switched topic about debating senses and their existence, which I never tried to dabate, I just asked you to name others and doing a quick google search you did name few, that's all.

I know I went off topic. You said we have 5 senses and I disagreed, and we argued about that.

 

[Raz]

I know I went off topic. You said we have 5 senses and I disagreed, and we argued about that.

No we didn't, you did. I didn't oppose your quick google search as I have no knowledge or want to argue about that.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Expanding on juventudes' point, if something cannot be detected by any of our bodily senses, then how do we determine that it exists? Do we know of any methods that bypass empirical evidence, yet yield identical results?

 

[ALC]

we can't detect radio waves but we know they exist. this convo is retarded

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

we can't detect radio waves but we know they exist. this convo is retarded

We can observe the effects radio waves have on a radio. You can turn of a Wi-Fi router and demonstrate that radio waves originate from the router.

 

[ALC]

We can observe the effects radio waves have on a radio. You can turn of a Wi-Fi router and demonstrate that radio waves originate from the router.

you can observe the effects god has on earth by witnessing his miracles.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

We can observe the effects radio waves have on a radio. You can turn of a Wi-Fi router and demonstrate that radio waves originate from the router.

but you still dont see them

 

[Hængebøffer]

you can observe the effects god has on earth by witnessing his miracles.

Which miracles?