Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (8 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

That's because books of law don't claim to be divine or the word of god. As a product human mind, they are fallible and thus justify interpretation in complex situations. Scriptures claiming to be the word of god and a guide for life automatically require much greater scrutiny. Scrutiny which is sadly fails to live up to. More proof that it was man made and not inspired, authored or dictated by god himself.

So your saying that God couldnt have left things for interpretation or deciphering. Ya know like the parables of Jesus?

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scripture isnt laid out so that the reader doesnt have to search and study. God wants us to look, search, question. thats why we have reason

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

So your saying that God couldnt have left things for interpretation or deciphering. Ya know like the parables of Jesus?

Considering that some interpretations can deviate from what the author actually wanted to convey, I think someone as wise as god would not leave things for interpretations. Especially when it comes to factual claims like the process of the creation of the earth and the universe, for example. Also, since he's all knowing, he knew that ambiguous verses would lead to the debate between taking things literally and interpreting them. Doesn't seem like god put a lot of thought into his scriptures.

 

[Nzoric]

So your saying that God couldnt have left things for interpretation or deciphering. Ya know like the parables of Jesus?

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scripture isnt laid out so that the reader doesnt have to search and study. God wants us to look, search, question. thats why we have reason

that is the lamest username ive seen in my life.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

scripture isnt laid out so that the reader doesnt have to search and study. God wants us to look, search, question. thats why we have reason

I understand what you mean. But clearly, some sections of scriptures could've been unambiguous rather than ambiguous.

 

[Seven]

that's what im talkin about, christians are repeating for jewish people with adding their own shit to the bible and other crap books

No. That was not what you were saying. You were saying the exact opposite.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

No. That was not what you were saying. You were saying the exact opposite.

as you wish

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Considering that some interpretations can deviate from what the author actually wanted to convey, I think someone as wise as god would not leave things for interpretations. Especially when it comes to factual claims like the process of the creation of the earth and the universe, for example. Also, since he's all knowing, he knew that ambiguous verses would lead to the debate between taking things literally and interpreting them. Doesn't seem like god put a lot of thought into his scriptures.

No that's the point so the truth can be discerned and the heresy can be spotted. This discussion though is way off track. We're not here to discuss scripture

 

[AndreaCristiano]

that is the lamest username ive seen in my life.

Says the guy with the gay one

 

[Nzoric]

Says the guy with the gay one

john the revelator sounds like a poor porn name. Mer de Noms is elegant and reflective of my complicated, layered and exquisite personality.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

20.000 people are dying everyday because of cancer but where is ur all mighty god? watchin' olympic games maybe?

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john the revelator sounds like a poor porn name. Mer de Noms is elegant and reflective of my complicated, layered and exquisite personality.

gay nickname indeed

 

[AndreaCristiano]

john the revelator sounds like a poor porn name. Mer de Noms is elegant and reflective of my complicated, layered and exquisite personality.

John the revelator is John of Patmos who wrote the book of revelation. Yours sounds like a gay French aristocrat from the 1700s

 

[ALC]

Too many caps on your nickname.

 

[Martin]

It's funny. I do know why AC thinks being gay is bad (in general why the religious do). I never knew before but it just occurred to me.

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Too many caps on your nickname.

All I see is a misspelling of elevator.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's funny. I do know why AC thinks being gay is bad (in general why the religious do). I never knew before but it just occurred to me.

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All I see is a misspelling of elevator.

That wasn't what I meant when I said gay wasn't denoting homosexuality

 

[ZoSo]

So do you agree that god desroyed all humanity while the choosen one aka Noah was in the safe place aka ark ?

Not all of humanity but I imagine something similar as described in the bible happened.

I can laugh at anything that i want who the fuck are you to tell me when i can laugh and wheb i can't? Everyone knows that bible/quran are joke, but people are too scared to face the truth, they are scared to face the fact that there is no life after death

 

[Martin]

That wasn't what I meant when I said gay wasn't denoting homosexuality

No? Well then the French are known for being quite gai. In fact they probably invented the word.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Not all of humanity but I imagine something similar as described in the bible happened.

According to bible God destroyed all humanity and killed around 2 million people, do you think that it were good decisions?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No that's the point so the truth can be discerned and the heresy can be spotted. This discussion though is way off track. We're not here to discuss scripture

OK. Then get on HERE and discuss scripture.

 

[ZoSo]

The problem here is that you're strictly defining it as an active rejection of god. What I'm saying is that it's a passive absence of a positive belief in god. If his belief system lacks a belief that says "there is a god", then he's an atheist. I'm not gonna repeat this again.

And even if we don't agree with this, children CANNOT in any situation be agnostics. Because agnostics NEED to know the proposition before determining that the truth of the proposition cannot be known.



When you come to a point that the literal meaning of the word of god is not relevant anymore and you need to interpret the words for it to hold any relevance, it's when you're using a poor book as a guide to life.

But it's not, atheism is the rejection of belief. You seem quite unsure about your own dogma.


They are closer agonistic to atheism as while it's not that they need more evidence to change their views, they need more years and intelligence/experience to change their views as they haven't rejected anything yet.



And you can prove that how? Please do explain.

 

[ALC]

It's funny. I do know why AC thinks being gay is bad (in general why the religious do). I never knew before but it just occurred to me.

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All I see is a misspelling of elevator.

elevator