Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (8 Viewers)

[Quetzalcoatl]

Marchisio is overrated.

I hope you dream all night of lamb kebabs.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

I hope you dream all night of lamb kebabs.

Lamb kebab mmmmmmmmm

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You sure? According to most scientist which you put so much stock in. He climate change which is causing all this is man made. So which way is it is it God or man made climate change ?

What's your source? Do Scientific research papers published by a scientific journal prove that the lack of rainfall in my state is due to human interference in climate? I expect you to backup your claims.

Also, since good really is responsible for everything, especially the laws of physics and chemistry upon which climate change function, good is still responsible.

You're a bit silly with these terms. Se have never been used to describe God and you constantly say your silliness.

Go to Wikipedia right now and look up the word 'God'. Omnibenevolence is one of the attributes commonly assigned to god. I'm not making stuff up!

Natural things happen because of natural order. I was giving him an answer that is as silly as his questions half the time. We as believers don't have all the answers yet most if not all of the disbelievers act as if they do. That in itself is laughable

I never claimed to have all the answers. Now you're just lying out of your teeth.

Me and king Mirko don't agree on much but bro you really are annoying in this thread

You find me annoying because of my merciless criticism of Good claims. Your theology cannot withstand the onslaught of logic and reason.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

What's your source? Do Scientific research papers published by a scientific journal prove that the lack of rainfall in my state is due to human interference in climate? I expect you to backup your claims.

Also, since good really is responsible for everything, especially the laws of physics and chemistry upon which climate change function, good is still responsible.



Go to Wikipedia right now and look up the word 'God'. Omnibenevolence is one of the attributes commonly assigned to god. I'm not making stuff up!



I never claimed to have all the answers. Now you're just lying out of your teeth.



You find me annoying because of my merciless criticism of Good claims. Your theology cannot withstand the onslaught of logic and reason.

No we find you annoying because of your petulance king Mirko isn't a believer and even he finds you annoying. You act all knowledgeable and superior yet your a scared little boy raging against your biggest fear , that your wrong

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Figment of the imagination is completely different than experiencing the supernatural be it God or a ghost etc it's a complete feeling mind body and soul not some fantasy that is easily distinguishable from reality. I'm sorry that your world is so bleak and matter of fact but if you refuse to leave yourself open to the possibility then the possibility of you experiencing anything outside of the mundane is minuscule

I agree that they are different. But without evidence and demonstration, it can never be accepted as a theory or a fact. If I was not open to the possibility of a supernatural world, I wouldn't even bother asking you for its evidence. I would blindly deny it. But I'm open to its possibility. Now show me the evidence.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I agree that they are different. But without evidence and demonstration, it can never be accepted as a theory or a fact. If I was not open to the possibility of a supernatural world, I wouldn't even bother asking you for its evidence. I would blindly deny it. But I'm open to its possibility. Now show me the evidence.

How can I show you what I have seen? Or better yet what I feel when I experience that experience. I can not share that feeling with you that I experienced believe me as much as I wish I could. I do not know how else to describe what I have been through. Things I have experienced and yet some here trivialize these things yet to me they were more real than this iPhone I'm typing on

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Stop blindly asserting that it doesn't exist and provide evidence that it doesn't or else we have no reason to cease believing.

Logic: you are doing it wrong!

I didn't assert that it doesn't exist. My default stance is to not believe in an assertion unless sound reasoning and solid evidence in support of your claim has been provided. You have failed to do that so far, and instead tried to shift the burden of proof onto me, as you've shown by this post.

No we find you annoying because of your petulance king Mirko isn't a believer and even he finds you annoying. You act all knowledgeable and superior yet your a scared little boy raging against your biggest fear , that your wrong

I'm completely open to being proved seeing. And in the event I am proved wrong, I will accept that I was wrong, and will alter my views on the subject.

Now prove me wrong!

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Logic: you are doing it wrong!

I didn't assert that it doesn't exist. My default stance is to not believe in an assertion unless sound reasoning and solid evidence in support of your claim has been provided. You have failed to do that so far, and instead tried to shift the burden of proof onto me, as you've shown by this post.

I explained above what I can not give to you but it doesn't make my experience any less valid just because you did not experience it

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Goodnight all Gods blessings upon those who believe and those who do not

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

How can I show you what I have seen? Or better yet what I feel when I experience that experience. I can not share that feeling with you that I experienced believe me as much as I wish I could. I do not know how else to describe what I have been through. Things I have experienced and yet some here trivialize these things yet to me they were more real than this iPhone I'm typing on

Personal anecdotes are not credible evidence. So I'm afraid I can't accept that. While I cannot completely dismiss your experience, I don't find it very convincing to believe in a god because of YOUR experience.

But if you've truly experienced a feeling, then we should be able to experience it and reproduce that being under standard conditions. Unless you experience those feelings through an extra anxiety organ that normal human don't, then I should be able to feel it too. Everything you've told me in this thread about how to experience god leave a lot to be desired in me. Thus I reject your claims of a god.

 

[Lilith]

I am not going to read the last few pages because it's a lot but I will say this. Personally I think it's a pretty ludicrous thing if we were sent here in the first place just so that Lord of the Underworld and Lord of the Elysian Fields could fight over our souls.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Personal anecdotes are not credible evidence. So I'm afraid I can't accept that. While I cannot completely dismiss your experience, I don't find it very convincing to believe in a god because of YOUR experience.

But if you've truly experienced a feeling, then we should be able to experience it and reproduce that being under standard conditions. Unless you experience those feelings through an extra anxiety organ that normal human don't, then I should be able to feel it too. Everything you've told me in this thread about how to experience god leave a lot to be desired in me. Thus I reject your claims of a god.

good for you, now move on.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

This thread is awesome.

 

[Klin]

This thread is awesome.

Define awesome.

 

[Fred]

Something that makes you awe.

 

[Klin]

That's AC to me.

 

[Fred]

Well then AC is awesome.

 

[Klin]

Aye.

 

[ALC]

Yeah Fred, leave us the oil and run back to the desert. Just think about the reward in the hereafter.

Of course not. It does put you in some disadvantage though. Because suffering in earth absolves you from some suffering in the hereafter. But intentionally making yourself suffer, or refusing to work, or anything like that is prohibited.

If its forced on you, like people in countries like Somalia or Burma, then thats a different story.

Oh, so all the purple nurples I've been giving myself have been for naught?

Sheik is so annoying in this thread that I even take AC's side in their arguments.

I honestly agree. Sheik makes me want to become a hardcore believer and I'm not even kidding.

I am not going to read the last few pages because it's a lot but I will say this. Personally I think it's a pretty ludicrous thing if we were sent here in the first place just so that Lord of the Underworld and Lord of the Elysian Fields could fight over our souls.

They're pretty funny tbh.

 

[IliveForJuve]

My girlfriend tells me the exact same thing as AC but I still don't believe her