Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (32 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

You're right. I have faith that god does not exist. Therefore, god doesn't exist. End of discussion!

Why do you have to be a petulant douche?

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

theres no infinite amount of ideas either a deity exists or it doesnt

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Why do you have to be a petulant douche?

To show how weak your argument, or the basis of it, is. If you're not willing to accept my disbelief in god based on faith, how do you expect us to accept your belief in god based on faith?

 

[Martin]

Why do you have to be a petulant douche?

Why is that being a douche? It's a very well presented idea actually, precisely relevant to the point in question.

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fishing? $#@! that lol

I think you should try. They say it's very relaxing. :xfinger:

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Why is that being a douche? It's a very well presented idea actually, precisely relevant to the point in question.

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I think you should try. They say it's very relaxing. :xfinger:

Not the video. sheik. As soon as something is said that he doesn't like or agree he gets all testy he's been like this the whole thread.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

To show how weak your argument, or the basis of it, is. If you're not willing to accept my disbelief in god based on faith, how do you expect us to accept your belief in god based on faith?

I never said I didn't accept it. I just think sometimes you protest to much. I told you many times that I accept your disbelief that's what you believe and I can neither force you to change or demand that you do.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

theres no infinite amount of ideas either a deity exists or it doesnt

Ok. Let's say there are about 1000 gods that have been claimed to exist thought history. It's still is impossible. We got a life to live.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Ok. Let's say there are about 1000 gods that have been claimed to exist thought history. It's still is impossible. We got a life to live.

The reality is the disbelievers have no proof he doesn't exist and the believers the same it's all on faith no matter which side

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I never said I didn't accept it. I just think sometimes you protest to much. I told you many times that I accept your disbelief that's what you believe and I can neither force you to change or demand that you do.

I'm not asking you to force to demand it. I'm asking you provide a valid reason to believe in a god. Since you admit that there is no evidence, which is our primary basis of belief, you proposed we have faith. You even suggested that people on both sides of the fence have faith, and I admitted the same(hypothetically), and thus drew a conclusion that god doesn't exist.

Now what am I doing wrong, exactly?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Ok. Let's say there are about 1000 gods that have been claimed to exist thought history. It's still is impossible. We got a life to live.

god is an idea, regardless of interpretation, the concept itself is universal.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The reality is the disbelievers have no proof he doesn't exist and the believers the same it's all on faith no matter which side

We never claimed to have proof of his non-existence. Our stance is that the people who make claims of god do not have enough proof. Therefore, we won't accept their claim. The onus is still on them to provide the evidence. Sadly, what they're providing hasn't convicted us.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

god is an idea, regardless of interpretation, the concept itself is universal.

What's happens next? What happens if we prove that a deity exists? What implications will it have on the lives of the people around the world?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm not asking you to force to demand it. I'm asking you provide a valid reason to believe in a god. Since you admit that there is no evidence, which is our primary basis of belief, you proposed we have faith. You even suggested that people on both sides of the fence have faith, and I admitted the same(hypothetically), and thus drew a conclusion that god doesn't exist.

Now what am I doing wrong, exactly?

I have given you my reasons , which you with a completely closed mind will never even consider. It's the same as your opposition. Your evidence has never disproven God

 

[AndreaCristiano]

We never claimed to have proof of his non-existence. Our stance is that the people who make claims of god do not have enough proof. Therefore, we won't accept their claim. The onus is still on them to provide the evidence. Sadly, what they're providing hasn't convicted us.

The onus is on no one. A believer no more has to prove to you why they believe than you do with the opposite

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What's happens next? What happens if we prove that a deity exists? What implications will it have on the lives of the people around the world?

what happens next is you follow what makes sense to YOU, your little video with the circular focal point is inaccurate, every experience you go though is part of the same journey, the only thing you can really do is stagnate, but the journey continues you mature your ideas mature your perspectives change and so do your ideas.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

what happens next is you follow what makes sense to YOU, your little video with the circular focal point is inaccurate, every experience you go though is part of the same journey, the only thing you can really do is stagnate, but the journey continues you mature your ideas mature your perspectives change and so do your ideas.

Very true and accurate post

 

[Zlatan]

Very true and accurate post

Actually its not, his post is about being on a path you chose (like in the video meeting people/experiences on one path which affectr you).

The point of the video is that if you want to know the real truth you have to go down every path to explore if it is true.. which is not the situation in your post.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I have given you my reasons , which you with a completely closed mind will never even consider. It's the same as your opposition. Your evidence has never disproven God

I'm sorry if I came across as being close minded. In all honesty, I don't find your reasons compelling or convincing. You propose that we drop our main standard to evaluating claims, evidence and reason, in favor of faith. Yet you haven't demonstrated why faith is a good thing.

The onus is on no one. A believer no more has to prove to you why they believe than you do with the opposite

Are you completely alien to the term 'burden of proof'?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm sorry if I came across as being close minded. In all honesty, I don't find your reasons compelling or convincing. You propose that we drop our main standard to evaluating claims, evidence and reason, in favor of faith. Yet you haven't demonstrated why faith is a good thing.



Are you completely alien to the term 'burden of proof'?

That's fine if my reasons aren't enough for you, they are not supposed to be , but they are my reasons as in for me so therefore it's enough for my belief Also burden of proof only applies when one side actually has indisputable evidence which yours does not. So therefore like i said neither side has the burden of proof

 

[king Ale]

I have given you my reasons , which you with a completely closed mind will never even consider. It's the same as your opposition. Your evidence has never disproven God

What would happen if he had an open mind? It's not the first time I see you doing this. First you say you have no evidence and it's all faith, then you call him close minded because he doesn't find your reasons convincing. And how exactly can you bring reasons for your faith? Having faith in a creator is your way, be fine with that, you don't need to convince Sheik that you are right if it's the way you have chosen to live your life in.