Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (29 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Wrong.

Compelling argument, sir!

yea wikipedia great source you are a classless tool

Certainly greater than any religious manuscript that has ever existed.

you act as though people who read holy books dont scrutinize

I think some do and some don't. I'm inclined to think that majority of the people don't even read the books completely and have very little knowledge about it.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

The whole article is cited, unlike....the bible

When will you learn to question instead of just accepting?

Im done with debating with you again, theres no point if you refuse to at least try and learn something. I read all the time, i've read the bible, i've read books by religious philosophers, i've studied islam, I went to christian schools for 15 years and was raised in a christian family. You just put your fingers in your ears and shout "IM NOT LISTENING". Theres no point in it, just don't reply to my posts and I wont to yours. Or just block me, whatevers easiest.

i have questioned more than you know, my journey has led me to my faith I didnt always and wasnt always a man of faith. I have also studied all those things and you can add kabbalah and hermetic religions and mythras etc etc as a freemason and knight templar your base of knowledge in these things is encouraged and desired in the higher levels yet the more I studied the comparative religions the closer I found myself to Yeshua. for me his words and life rang true, his place in my heart only grew. I am not a blind follower but when I have the belief I have now in Yeshua their is no denying it for me. Some people question always because they are afraid to settle on something I question until I find truth and to me Yeshua is truth

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

were in that statement did he demand anything? Someone asked what the greatest commandments were and he told them. It is our choice if we want to love or not

When you make something a commandment, then you basically give no other choice. Just saying "Yeshua wants love" is enough. It's not a request, it's a demand. And you can interpret it as one of the 10 commandments. How can you have a choice against doing that if you are to accept him?

It's all too confusing. Simply too confusing for a supreme and perfect entity to ask.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Compelling argument, sir!

Certainly greater than any religious manuscript that has ever existed.


I think some do and some don't. I'm inclined to think that majority of the people don't even read the books completely and have very little knowledge about it.

your last statement on people and their holy books id true, but people in the majority dont care about much else than themselves, they dont know their government nor their own mortgages or bills let alone their faith or books, but you cant judge all believers by those fair weather ones

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When you make something a commandment, then you basically give no other choice. Just saying "Yeshua wants love" is enough. It's not a request, it's a demand. And you can interpret it as one of the 10 commandments. How can you have a choice against doing that if you are to accept him?

It's all too confusing. Simply too confusing for a supreme and perfect entity to ask.

if you accept him why would you deny the love you would willingly give your love to your God. When a man accepts his wife he willingly gives his love because that is what you do. Same with God

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Sheik, I have to say you've got really good at this

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

your last statement on people and their holy books id true, but people in the majority dont care about much else than themselves, they dont know their government nor their own mortgages or bills let alone their faith or books, but you cant judge all believers by those fair weather ones

So what is wrong in caring about yourself? Everyone is selfish to some extent, and I think it is perfectly OK to care about yourself rather than caring about a supposedly perfect creator who needs our love and praise.

if you accept him why would you deny the love you would willingly give your love to your God. When a man accepts his wife he willingly gives his love because that is what you do. Same with God

It's about choice and free will. Poeple should have the choice of not loving their god.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So what is wrong in caring about yourself? Everyone is selfish to some extent, and I think it is perfectly OK to care about yourself rather than caring about a supposedly perfect creator who needs our love and praise.


It's about choice and free will. Poeple should have the choice of not loving their god.

why would you not love him if you accept him? doesnt make any sense

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sheik, I have to say you've got really good at this

Thanks. But I'm not satisfied with this. I want to become a militant atheist and end everyone's thoughts to conform with my ideologies and mine alone. Muahahahaha! :evil:

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why would you not love him if you accept him? doesnt make any sense

Suppose a man accepted to love him, but hadn't read the story of Noah, where Yeshua resorts to genocide because humans were wicked. Suppose, this man disliked Yeshua's nature and deemed him unfit of his love. Does he now have the choice to not love him?

 

[X Æ A-12]

Preach on, sheik.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Thanks. But I'm not satisfied with this. I want to become a militant atheist and end everyone's thoughts to conform with my ideologies and mine alone. Muahahahaha! :evil:

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Suppose a man accepted to love him, but hadn't read the story of Noah, where Yeshua resorts to genocide because humans were wicked. Suppose, this man disliked Yeshua's nature and deemed him unfit of his love. Does he now have the choice to not love him?

of course he has the choice thats free will. Also Yeshua is Jesus and Jehovah is god just for clarification. A man can choose to believe or not love or not that is why God gave us free will and thats why the journey is here on this earth. No one is forced to love or believe in him

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Stop patronising me, you heathens!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

of course he has the choice thats free will. Also Yeshua is Jesus and Jehovah is god just for clarification. A man can choose to believe or not love or not that is why God gave us free will and thats why the journey is here on this earth. No one is forced to love or believe in him

Alright, at this point, I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm sleepy as hell. See ya tomorrow.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Alright, at this point, I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm sleepy as hell. See ya tomorrow.

makes two of us goodnight brother God bless

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

As my last contribution for the day, I'll leave this here.

 

[Juve matador]

As my last contribution for the day, I'll leave this here.

Good vid.

 

[Trequartista]

Heard of the dark ages? you know the time in west europe between the fall of rome (take over of the christians) and the renaissance (when questioning and denouncing religion became a feasible option)....find me some magnificent scientific discoveries that happened in that time in Europe, where the church didn't kill the person that did it.

The heavy plough, tidal mills, the hourglass, the blast furnace, the compass, the eyeglass, the mechanical clock, the spinning wheel, the printing press, modern glass making, the saw mill, the wheelbarrow, etc.

The dark ages is a term which isn't used anymore in academia as it is inaccurate and simplistic. You should do your homework before saying such enormities. Questioning and denouncing religion became a feasible option in the Enlightenment, not during the Renaissance by the way.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

woah look at treq kicking the ballistics, everything up there is accurate muchacho props

 

[Osman]

The heavy plough, tidal mills, the hourglass, the blast furnace, the compass, the eyeglass, the mechanical clock, the spinning wheel, the printing press, modern glass making, the saw mill, the wheelbarrow, etc.

The dark ages is a term which isn't used anymore in academia as it is inaccurate and simplistic. You should do your homework before saying such enormities. Questioning and denouncing religion became a feasible option in the Enlightenment, not during the Renaissance by the way.

Its the first thing any professors in history courses say to first time students, to get inane and self-important (from those who came after the "dark ages") misconceptions like that outta their system.

 

[Ford Prefect]

The heavy plough, tidal mills, the hourglass, the blast furnace, the compass, the eyeglass, the mechanical clock, the spinning wheel, the printing press, modern glass making, the saw mill, the wheelbarrow, etc.

The dark ages is a term which isn't used anymore in academia as it is inaccurate and simplistic. You should do your homework before saying such enormities. Questioning and denouncing religion became a feasible option in the Enlightenment, not during the Renaissance by the way.

woah look at treq kicking the ballistics, everything up there is accurate muchacho props

Its the first thing any professors in history courses say to first time students, to get inane and self-important (from those who came after the "dark ages") misconceptions like that outta their system.

Pedantry aside, given that I haven't studied history since the end of high sky and been told that 'Dark Ages' isn't the word were using, the point still stands. More has happened as a result of religion taking less of a roll in western society than when it controlled western society.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Pedantry aside, given that I haven't studied history since the end of high sky and been told that 'Dark Ages' isn't the word were using, the point still stands. More has happened as a result of religion taking less of a roll in western society than when it controlled western society.

you continue to be proven wrong yet you continue to insist you are correct. Yet according to you we of faith dont learn and dont change