Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (33 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sheik every person of faith struggles with their faith and times. Dry spells, doubts their part of the journey. Tests if you will. Mother Theresa was of greater faith because even through that she lived her faith

She was only living her faith because the catholic church wanted her to. Just by expressing her loss of faith, she proved that she is not of true faith.



BTW, I want to ask another important question: how does god define 'true faith'?

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Oh and Fred or Tahir, can you tell me why you say 'praise be upon him' when you mention Muhammad?

 

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[ALC]

She is responcible for the death and suffering of thousands whilst she filled her own pockets. I think you'll find im being nice when I call her a cunt.

:wth:

Where do you get this stuff from?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

She was only living her faith because the catholic church wanted her to. Just by expressing her loss of faith, she proved that she is not of true faith.



BTW, I want to ask another important question: how does god define 'true faith'?

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Oh and Fred or Tahir, can you tell me why you say 'praise be upon him' when you mention Muhammad?

That's BS many have had loss of faith at one time or another so your statement is weak.
Yeshua says to love God above all else and love thy neighbor as thy self

 

[Ford Prefect]

:wth:

Where do you get this stuff from?

Reading, learning, questioning....opposite of religion.

For an overview search 'Hells Angel: Mother Teresa', is a documentary explaining how her charity worked and documents her life.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Reading, learning, questioning....opposite of religion.

Just because you read and think you learn doesn't mean you do. Also it isn't the opposite of religion most of the greatest art , science and knowledge was because of men of faith

 

[AndreaCristiano]

:wth:

Where do you get this stuff from?

His anti religion faith hating people he admires. Yet they have no bias

 

[ALC]

I really don't see how she could stand to profit from money, seeing as she was a nun. Not everything religious is bad. Seriously, calling nuns cunts just shows how much on the opposite side of the spectrum you are. I don't know whether this is a fight fire with fire approach or you just wanting to stand out.

 

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Inside Job - Narrated by Matt Damon.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's BS many have had loss of faith at one time or another so your statement is weak.

Yeshua says to love God above all else and love thy neighbor as thy self

Perhaps. It's hard to really debate this considering the nature of faith. It varies from person to person..

Really? That's the basis of true faith according to god? Loving god and my neighbour? I honestly expected something more elaborate, more detailed. Wow!

Anyway, I'm off for the night. looking forward to your answers.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Inside Job - Narrated by Matt Damon.

Wrong thread man. PS anything done by Damon or hanks reeks of progressive quasi socialist trash.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I really don't see how she could stand to profit from money, seeing as she was a nun. Not everything religious is bad. Seriously, calling nuns cunts just shows how much on the opposite side of the spectrum you are. I don't know whether this is a fight fire with fire approach or you just wanting to stand out.

Bravo! Now you see the angst

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Perhaps. It's hard to really debate this considering the nature of faith. It varies from person to person..

Really? That's the basis of true faith according to god? Loving god and my neighbour? I honestly expected something more elaborate, more detailed. Wow!

Anyway, I'm off for the night. looking forward to your answers.

I don't know why you would think it is so much deeper, true love pure love is what God is so devoutly loving thy god and thy neighbor as thyself is the purest faith, think about it how hard is it to love thy neighbor as thyself?

 

[Ford Prefect]

Just because you read and think you learn doesn't mean you do. Also it isn't the opposite of religion most of the greatest art , science and knowledge was because of men of faith

Heard of the dark ages? you know the time in west europe between the fall of rome (take over of the christians) and the renaissance (when questioning and denouncing religion became a feasible option)....find me some magnificent scientific discoveries that happened in that time in Europe, where the church didn't kill the person that did it.

I really don't see how she could stand to profit from money, seeing as she was a nun. Not everything religious is bad. Seriously, calling nuns cunts just shows how much on the opposite side of the spectrum you are. I don't know whether this is a fight fire with fire approach or you just wanting to stand out.

I didn't call 'nuns' cunts, I called a nun a cunt because she was evil. Given that all you appear to know about her is based on the media hype that she exploited throughout her life, maybe you should research it and then come back to me. Watch the documentary i suggested, which is flattering to her btw and then read some more and see where you stand with that hateful woman.

 

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Perhaps. It's hard to really debate this considering the nature of faith. It varies from person to person..

Really? That's the basis of true faith according to god? Loving god and my neighbour? I honestly expected something more elaborate, more detailed. Wow!

Anyway, I'm off for the night. looking forward to your answers.

Loving thy neighbour has infinite meaning that could easily fill volumes of encyclopaedias . Don't over simplify it with your exceeding feebleness.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

1) Just because you read and think you learn doesn't mean you do. 2) Also it isn't the opposite of religion most of the greatest art , science and knowledge was because of men of faith

1) Same can be said about reading a holy book.

2) Doesn't mean that faith is the reason for art, science or knowledge. At least for science and knowledge, I think it was despite religion and not because of religion.

 

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1) Same can be said about reading a holy book.

2) Doesn't mean that faith is the reason for art, science or knowledge. At least for science and knowledge, I think it was despite religion and not because of religion.

Wrong.

 

[Ford Prefect]

His anti religion faith hating people he admires. Yet they have no bias

*yawn*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa

dick.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

*yawn*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa

dick.

yea wikipedia great source you are a classless tool

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Heard of the dark ages? you know the time in west europe between the fall of rome (take over of the christians) and the renaissance (when questioning and denouncing religion became a feasible option)....find me some magnificent scientific discoveries that happened in that time in Europe, where the church didn't kill the person that did it.



I didn't call 'nuns' cunts, I called a nun a cunt because she was evil. Given that all you appear to know about her is based on the media hype that she exploited throughout her life, maybe you should research it and then come back to me. Watch the documentary i suggested, which is flattering to her btw and then read some more and see where you stand with that hateful woman.

I think you dont really know alot of what you think you do

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1) Same can be said about reading a holy book.

2) Doesn't mean that faith is the reason for art, science or knowledge. At least for science and knowledge, I think it was despite religion and not because of religion.

you act as though people who read holy books dont scrutinize

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I don't know why you would think it is so much deeper, true love pure love is what God is so devoutly loving thy god and thy neighbor as thyself is the purest faith, think about it how hard is it to love thy neighbor as thyself?

If Yeshua wants love, then it cannot be true or pure. The fact that he's commanding you to love him makes it impure. You don't love someone because they demand it, or because of fear of them. You love them because of their character and who they are. I interpret true/pure love as unconditional love, and Yeshua cannot be demanding that.

Also, what is so significant about loving a neighbour? And what if my neighbour is an unpleasant person? Should I still love him? What if he's a real cunt?

Loving thy neighbour has infinite meaning that could easily fill volumes of encyclopaedias . Don't over simplify it with your exceeding feebleness.

Of course it does. How thoughtful of an omniscient supreme creator to not realize one of the basic problems in communicating effectively(lack of clarity and inambiguity), and not try to keep his teachings/words/commandments free of ambiguity?

 

[Ford Prefect]

yea wikipedia great source you are a classless tool

The whole article is cited, unlike....the bible

When will you learn to question instead of just accepting?

Im done with debating with you again, theres no point if you refuse to at least try and learn something. I read all the time, i've read the bible, i've read books by religious philosophers, i've studied islam, I went to christian schools for 15 years and was raised in a christian family. You just put your fingers in your ears and shout "IM NOT LISTENING". Theres no point in it, just don't reply to my posts and I wont to yours. Or just block me, whatevers easiest.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

If Yeshua wants love, then it cannot be true or pure. The fact that he's commanding you to love him makes it impure. You don't love someone because they demand it, or because of fear of them. You love them because of their character and who they are. I interpret true/pure love as unconditional love, and Yeshua cannot be demanding that.

Also, what is so significant about loving a neighbour? And what if my neighbour is an unpleasant person? Should I still love him? What if he's a real cunt?


Of course it does. How thoughtful of an omniscient supreme creator to not realize one of the basic problems in communicating effectively(lack of clarity and inambiguity), and not try to keep his teachings/words/commandments free of ambiguity?

were in that statement did he demand anything? Someone asked what the greatest commandments were and he told them. It is our choice if we want to love or not