Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (13 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

a certain amount but no certitude and no proof they 'will' as a matter fact evidence points that if anything they will most likely default on paying employees in their last gasp of existence. You and everyone else, puts much faith into many aspects of life, whether you choose to call it that or not doesnt change that fact. Those who have faith in a higher power just like you have established a relationship of trust your inability to understand it doesnt disprove its existence.

I think it is pretty certain. An employer is bound by contract to pay you for your work. There are consequences they have to face if they don't pay me. So it is a certainty. Both by contractual obligation and evidence.

I agree that there is a certain degree of faith involved in it. But nowhere is it as blind as religious faith. In religion, the faith is not based on demonstrations. Demonstrations that we can observe in the present day. I haven't seen one "miracle" that can be attributed to this higher power 100%. Imo, it's not even comparable to your analogy.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

Which in the end leads us to the conclusion that religion is? Just like everything else in our society today, a man made structure. If it was pure or divine, it would stand out from the imperfect works of man - no?

It's the human with his imperfections that can not find the perfection in faith. The essence of God is perfect and divine the ways we worship him is in err because its humans responding to that deity.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I think it is pretty certain. An employer is bound by contact to pay you fire your work. There are consequences they have to face if they don't pay me. So it is a certainty. Both by contractual obligation and evidence.

I agree that there is a certain degree of faith involved in it. But nowhere is it as blind as religious faith. In religion, the faith is not based on demonstrations. Demonstrations that we can observe in the present day. I haven't seen one "miracle" that can be attributed to this higher power 100%. Imo, it's not even comparable to your analogy.

If miracles which abound by the way , were conclusive than there would be no need for faith and in turn no need for free will because we wouldntt have to go on our path and journey to find God , we would just know. In the end God doesn't want drones he wants someone to come to him on his own

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I think it is pretty certain. An employer is bound by contact to pay you fire your work. There are consequences they have to face if they don't pay me. So it is a certainty. Both by contractual obligation and evidence.

I agree that there is a certain degree of faith involved in it. But nowhere is it as blind as religious faith. In religion, the faith is not based on demonstrations. Demonstrations that we can observe in the present day. I haven't seen one "miracle" that can be attributed to this higher power 100%. Imo, it's not even comparable to your analogy.

"there is that which helps you believe
in something else besides death:
somebody in a car approaching
on a street too narrow,
and he or she pulls aside to let you
by, or the old fighter Beau Jack
shining shoes
after blowing the entire bankroll
on parties
on women
on parasites,
humming, breathing on the leather,
working the rag
looking up and saying:
“what the hell, I had it for
while. that beats the
other.”


and consequences dont deter completely otherwise we d be crime free

 

[Hængebøffer]

For example what? Name 3 things, I don't have time for countless.

Just google Horus vs Jesus.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

What does this add to the discussion? Google doesn't add anything. The internet is full of stuff both ways

 

[pitbull]

What does this add to the discussion? Google doesn't add anything. The internet is full of stuff both ways

What do you think of that "Bible stole stuff from pagan religions" debate, how do you explain the similarities (also in ridiculous details) in different cultures religions? I've studied the Bible and feel strong enough about that subject, but I'm in no position to discuss Egypt's or India's gods, the credibility of their sacred books and whether it could be the same christianity that developed differently in a different continent. What is your version about this?

 

[Hængebøffer]

What does this add to the discussion? Google doesn't add anything. The internet is full of stuff both ways

Well, just take a look of what pitbull just asked you about. And books only tells the truth..

 

[AndreaCristiano]

What do you think of that "Bible stole stuff from pagan religions" debate, how do you explain the similarities (also in ridiculous details) in different cultures religions? I've studied the Bible and feel strong enough about that subject, but I'm in no position to discuss Egypt's or India's gods, the credibility of their sacred books and whether it could be the same christianity that developed differently in a different continent. What is your version about this?

In which way do you mean the bible stole from Christianity give me specifics?

 

[Nzoric]

God doesn't exit. Now can we close this thread?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

What do you think of that "Bible stole stuff from pagan religions" debate, how do you explain the similarities (also in ridiculous details) in different cultures religions? I've studied the Bible and feel strong enough about that subject, but I'm in no position to discuss Egypt's or India's gods, the credibility of their sacred books and whether it could be the same christianity that developed differently in a different continent. What is your version about this?

In which way do you mean the bible stole from paganism give me specifics?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

God doesn't exit. Now can we close this thread?

Bro if you dont like it dont come in here

 

[Seven]

What do you think of that "Bible stole stuff from pagan religions" debate, how do you explain the similarities (also in ridiculous details) in different cultures religions? I've studied the Bible and feel strong enough about that subject, but I'm in no position to discuss Egypt's or India's gods, the credibility of their sacred books and whether it could be the same christianity that developed differently in a different continent. What is your version about this?

The similarities do indeed imply that christianity is not the first religion to come up with this concept. They also imply something else though:

This concept seems to be ingrained in the human mind. One could call it an archetype. I wonder why.

 

[Nzoric]

I'm into S&M.

 

[Seven]

In which way do you mean the bible stole from paganism give me specifics?

Horus-Jesus. You seriously never heard about this before?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The similarities do indeed imply that christianity is not the first religion to come up with this concept. They also imply something else though:

This concept seems to be ingrained in the human mind. One could call it an archetype. I wonder why.

Here you are actually onto something in Freemasonry we are taught that this narrative is ingrained in our mind because God was always unfolding this narrative

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Horus-Jesus. You seriously never heard about this before?

I have. I am just saying I hate the google this answers. The internet has info for all sides and googling it doesnt bring any answers just more questions for most

 

[Seven]

Here you are actually onto something in Freemasonry we are taught that this narrative is ingrained in our mind because God was always unfolding this narrative

Yeah.. Could be. Could also be a very useful narrative from an evolutionary point of view. Strong father figures are important for your survival. Could be all sorts of things really. Nevertheless it's quite remarkable that a lot of religions have these Messiah like figures in them.

 

[Seven]

I have. I am just saying I hate the google this answers. The internet has info for all sides and googling it doesnt bring any answers just more questions for most

Well maybe, but the case about Horus is well documented. And it's not just him either.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Well maybe, but the case about Horus is well documented. And it's not just him either.

Sure mythras is another etc etc