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Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (93 Viewers)
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Again, if faith is all that matters to god, then nothing else does. You could be freakin' Adolf Hitler and have utmost faith in god and end up in heaven.
There is none. Name me one moral act that only religious people are capable of doing and non-religious people aren't. Name me one. I dare ya. I double dare ya!
There is none. Name me one moral act that only religious people are capable of doing and non-religious people aren't. Name me one. I dare ya. I double dare ya!
If there is a god: Atheists lose completely.
If there is no god: Belief in god can still improve your life.
You haven't showed otherwise. And one of your statements is that being an atheist is more worthwhile because you can live life more fully. This just isn't true. Maybe yes, maybe not.
And yes atheists can do anything that believers can, we are after all all God's children.
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If there is no god: Belief in god can still improve your life.
You haven't showed otherwise. And one of your statements is that being an atheist is more worthwhile because you can live life more fully. This just isn't true. Maybe yes, maybe not.
And yes atheists can do anything that believers can, we are after all all God's children.
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To even "claim" to know what happens after you die without actually dying is a bit crazy too, don't you think. I mean, it's one thing to predict what we might experience(or not) after death, but to write it down like it's a fact is psychopathic.
Again, I believe that this life is the only life I have. The only guarantee I have is the time I have between my birth and death. Anything else; be it heaven or hell or purgatory, reincarnating as another human or just sitting on gods lap; is a bonus for me. But I'm not gonna live my life for that bonus.
Well, because of the influence of western culture, we are involved in it to some extent. Since India is a secular country, most people get a day off for Christmas. So if people head out, they'll unwillingly be involved in Christmas celebrations. But you'll never see a Hindu or a Muslim Indian putting up stockings, exchanging presents/gifts, or give a fuck about Santa.
Again, I believe that this life is the only life I have. The only guarantee I have is the time I have between my birth and death. Anything else; be it heaven or hell or purgatory, reincarnating as another human or just sitting on gods lap; is a bonus for me. But I'm not gonna live my life for that bonus.
Well, because of the influence of western culture, we are involved in it to some extent. Since India is a secular country, most people get a day off for Christmas. So if people head out, they'll unwillingly be involved in Christmas celebrations. But you'll never see a Hindu or a Muslim Indian putting up stockings, exchanging presents/gifts, or give a fuck about Santa.
No, I mean did they had this day special before westerners came, in local religions like hindu and etc. for eg, the pagans had this day as the the day when the day starting to get longer(shortest night) and they were always celebrating it in some whay or another even before they knew about jesus, even in rome/greek or whatever it's the same, the old religions used to celebrate it before jesus was born.
Yeah, I haven't read the budhist book of dead or whatever it is called, but it sure looks like someone is a bit high on some pshychodelic drugs
Yeah, I haven't read the budhist book of dead or whatever it is called, but it sure looks like someone is a bit high on some pshychodelic drugs
Oh yeah, like you "understand god" perfectly, Andrea. Your intelligent mind, which is puny compared to gods intellect, has completely understood god. Congratulations.
Which god? First prove to me which god, among the thousands of gods mentioned through history, is this god. Only then shall we even get down to whether atheists lose or not.
If you really want to improve your life by being delusional, then so be it. But I'm not having any of it.
If there is a god: Atheists lose completely.
If there is no god: Belief in god can still improve your life.
You haven't showed otherwise. And one of your statements is that being an atheist is more worthwhile because you can live life more fully. This just isn't true. Maybe yes, maybe not.
And yes atheists can do anything that believers can, we are after all all God's children.), just a little jab but you get the point).
If there is no god: Belief in god can still improve your life.
You haven't showed otherwise. And one of your statements is that being an atheist is more worthwhile because you can live life more fully. This just isn't true. Maybe yes, maybe not.
And yes atheists can do anything that believers can, we are after all all God's children.
), just a little jab but you get the point).
If you really want to improve your life by being delusional, then so be it. But I'm not having any of it.
No, I mean did they had this day special before westerners came, in local religions like hindu and etc. for eg, the pagans had this day as the the day when the day starting to get longer(shortest night) and they were always celebrating it in some whay or another even before they knew about jesus, even in rome/greek or whatever it's the same, the old religions used to celebrate it before jesus was born.
Yeah, I haven't read the budhist book of dead or whatever it is called, but it sure looks like someone is a bit high on some pshychodelic drugs
Yeah, I haven't read the budhist book of dead or whatever it is called, but it sure looks like someone is a bit high on some pshychodelic drugs
About psychedelic drugs, it's a known fact that many Hindu sages would smoke weed or an equivalent herb to meditate better. Maybe they wrote these books while under the influence. Who knows.
If there is a god: Atheists lose completely.
If there is no god: Belief in god can still improve your life.
You haven't showed otherwise. And one of your statements is that being an atheist is more worthwhile because you can live life more fully. This just isn't true. Maybe yes, maybe not.
And yes atheists can do anything that believers can, we are after all all God's children.), just a little jab but you get the point).
If there is no god: Belief in god can still improve your life.
You haven't showed otherwise. And one of your statements is that being an atheist is more worthwhile because you can live life more fully. This just isn't true. Maybe yes, maybe not.
And yes atheists can do anything that believers can, we are after all all God's children.
), just a little jab but you get the point).
I think the Gregorian calendar is a solar calendar while the Hindu ones are Lunar.
I must say, I'm curious as to the psychological reason why humans believe in gods. I mean, the description of gods vary from region to region. But I'm curious to know why most humans believed in the concept of a god.
in the same way opium does 
relieves them from the responsibility to understand and better the world they live in - just assign all the f-ed up things happening around you to a super being, convince yourself that the world is the way it should be and there us nothing you can, or even should, do to change it and you are happier camper - no different than that opium munching fella next-door.
At the same time, eternal life and the concept of paradise - an integral part of the Abrahamic religions, not coincidentally the most popular ones around - give you assurances that the shit of life you may be living now is just temporary and there is a lot better awaiting you in the afterlife, be it in the form of 72 virgins or otherwise. Religion provides you with a more convenient, a better-sounding interpretation of an otherwise grim reality and people, naturally, tend to believe what they want and need to believe. Of course, all this comfort comes at a price - one's blind and unquestionable faith in something that no facts or common sense support or explain.
Also, keep in mind that these religions started out in times that were very hard for the common man - human life 2000 years ago wasn't worth more than a steaming pile of crap, even less so than it is now - so religion was the perfect outlet for pain, suffering and frustration and a reason to live on, as I tried to explain above.
How it made it thru the centuries - people's natural propensity towards tradition and believing in things for the mere reason that those before them believed in them too ... that path already taken by our ancestors, is the path most often taken by us, as it's the safest, and we teach the same to our children, as well. People, for the most part, are afraid of the risks and dangers of the unknown and keep to what they already know. Pioneers are a rarity, which is probably why they have a separate word for it
Luckily for all of us, be it believers or agnostics or atheists, the key phrase in the other sentence is "for the most part"
At the same time, eternal life and the concept of paradise - an integral part of the Abrahamic religions, not coincidentally the most popular ones around - give you assurances that the shit of life you may be living now is just temporary and there is a lot better awaiting you in the afterlife, be it in the form of 72 virgins or otherwise. Religion provides you with a more convenient, a better-sounding interpretation of an otherwise grim reality and people, naturally, tend to believe what they want and need to believe. Of course, all this comfort comes at a price - one's blind and unquestionable faith in something that no facts or common sense support or explain.
Also, keep in mind that these religions started out in times that were very hard for the common man - human life 2000 years ago wasn't worth more than a steaming pile of crap, even less so than it is now - so religion was the perfect outlet for pain, suffering and frustration and a reason to live on, as I tried to explain above.
How it made it thru the centuries - people's natural propensity towards tradition and believing in things for the mere reason that those before them believed in them too ... that path already taken by our ancestors, is the path most often taken by us, as it's the safest, and we teach the same to our children, as well. People, for the most part, are afraid of the risks and dangers of the unknown and keep to what they already know. Pioneers are a rarity, which is probably why they have a separate word for it
Luckily for all of us, be it believers or agnostics or atheists, the key phrase in the other sentence is "for the most part"
