Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (25 Viewers)
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I never said we should make it into a religion. All these religious books have stories that serve as an example of how a man makes good decisions. Rather than read the stories from ONE book, why not read the good and bad or all religious books and make a better decision of what constitutes good and bad? If all these good deeds were compiled into a book, at best it'll become a book of good morals, NOT a religion.
And I don't care if this falls into the NWO mindset. And even if it does, I don't see how it invalidates the idea as a bad one.
And I don't care if this falls into the NWO mindset. And even if it does, I don't see how it invalidates the idea as a bad one.
Jewish tennents for instance that have to do with rabbinical law, a Christian has no need for them because of Christ being the new covenant. a Christian also has no need for the treatment of infidels and description of said infidels in islam because Christianity is about forgiveness and bringing the light of Jesus to the world
Right. But I said in my post that we should take the stories that suggest good behaviour, not rules. Not laws. Not moral absolutes.
Anyway, in case of your example, forgiveness sounds like a good trait to have. Though some conditions apply. Cos you can't simply forgive every person who commits as offence or a crime. We can leave out the infidel part cos it's not good to label someone as a bad person simply because they have a difference in opinion.
NEXT!
Anyway, in case of your example, forgiveness sounds like a good trait to have. Though some conditions apply. Cos you can't simply forgive every person who commits as offence or a crime. We can leave out the infidel part cos it's not good to label someone as a bad person simply because they have a difference in opinion.
NEXT!
Not really. It's about the consequences of forgiving the offender, and whether forgiving that person will actually make a difference in his life and bring about a change in him that will somehow convince him to not commit those atrocities again. If he's going to commit those atrocities again, then forgiveness is a bad decision. He's better off being locked up in solitary for the rest of his life.
Not sure how true that is, but I'm all for looking past religion. I'm all for coming up with new definitions of morality. Ones that are more relevant to the present age.
Not sure how true that is, but I'm all for looking past religion. I'm all for coming up with new definitions of morality. Ones that are more relevant to the present age.
Religion wouldn't be amorality friend. Amorality by definition is morality focused on oneself and what they believe is right and wrong. Morality from religion comes from a higher than self belief. Totally different 
I'd rather be moral because I chose that it is right instead of being moral because I'm a coward.
I'm not calling you a coward, Andrea. But I get this general sense that religion(not just yours) commands us to be good, or else god will punish us and send us to hell. If that is not fear and intimidation, then I do not know what is.
Well of course some humans will. They will always do it. Regardless of who makes the laws or the morality, there will always be people who'll do that. If you think that just because a god told us, say, not to kill people there will be no homicides, then FORGET ABOUT IT! It's not gonna happen. There will never be a time when 100% of the population will be completely moral regardless of the source. That's the result of free will. That's the price of free will.
But for those people who are willing to be true to themselves and NOT skew morality to their needs, it's best that we have a sound base for the moral system. And fear and intimidation by invisible supreme beings is not correct!
Well of course some humans will. They will always do it. Regardless of who makes the laws or the morality, there will always be people who'll do that. If you think that just because a god told us, say, not to kill people there will be no homicides, then FORGET ABOUT IT! It's not gonna happen. There will never be a time when 100% of the population will be completely moral regardless of the source. That's the result of free will. That's the price of free will.
But for those people who are willing to be true to themselves and NOT skew morality to their needs, it's best that we have a sound base for the moral system. And fear and intimidation by invisible supreme beings is not correct!
Oh well, one could argue that Christianity has plagued (I chose that word) Western Europe for so long, that Christian morals have indeed become basic morals upon which the society functions. Now if Christian moral is the basic moral of the society, and there is so much amorality amok - isn't it Christian amorality?