Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (29 Viewers)

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Raz

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Nov 20, 2005
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Great, all the shops are closed because a delusional carpenter got crucified 2000 years ago. I hate this day
Lol, it has nothing to do with carpentry at all :D before this was a christian holiday it was a pagan one, and basicly its a day where it's the shortest night, so it's not about jeuss being born, but about astronomy. Plus Jesus wasn't even born on this day.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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Your principles state that you should treat everyone equally disrespectfully. Precisely why people need religion.
Not everyone. It's disrespectful towards intelligent people to treat religious cults with respect. Of course I don't go around looting churches (though I've always felt like it), but if someone starts a discussion with me about religion there is no respect to be had.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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Lol, it has nothing to do with carpentry at all :D before this was a christian holiday it was a pagan one, and basicly its a day where it's the shortest night, so it's not about jeuss being born, but about astronomy. Plus Jesus wasn't even born on this day.
Way to get a joke. Bravo man
 

Linebreak

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Sep 18, 2009
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Not everyone. It's disrespectful towards intelligent people to treat religious cults with respect. Of course I don't go around looting churches (though I've always felt like it), but if someone starts a discussion with me about religion there is no respect to be had.
lol - a person who has true intelligence and understanding treats all with respect. But that's right, atheism preaches arrogance.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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lol - a person who has true intelligence and understanding treats all with respect. But that's right, atheism preaches arrogance.
That's where you are wrong. Atheism preaches nothing at all, that's sort of the point. I think that religions is bullshit, hence I treat it with disrespect. I know atheists who are exactly the opposite of me in their every act.
 

Golazo

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Sep 1, 2011
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I'm a fairly religious and spiritual person. I'll chuck my 2c in for what it's worth.

I value and respect the opinions of everyone here, and everyone I encounter. I don't like it when people try to force those beliefs on others, though. Either it be the religious side, or the atheist side - or even religion v religion.

Personally, my beliefs differ a little from what I've been grown up with. I find there are plenty of holes in some religious teachings, so it is only human nature to question them. If those questions cannot be answered, then I form my own opinion of the meaning/occurrence/ritual/belief etc. I'm not going to be brainless and just accept anything that is fed to me.

I would never "debate" with someone as to whether a certain person existed, or whether certain things actually occurred, or whatever. The most important thing for me is this:

The Bible, for example, is full of stories. Metaphors, messages, etc. The message behind everything, whether you believe what is actually written or not, is quite nice and beautiful - is it not? Peace, love, respect, forgiveness, ra ra ra. If people I encounter value the messages behind the readings, then we'll get along splendidly. Atheist, agnostic, religious - it doesn't matter. As long as people appreciate the message religion genuinely projects, then that's all that matters.

Debating anything else is futile.
 
Apr 15, 2006
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lol - a person who has true intelligence and understanding treats all with respect. But that's right, atheism preaches arrogance.
Personally, i show respect to all people, but never to any religion. Religion demand respect and authority because it proclaims itself as holy, and I'm not buying that. I'll treat them as just another book until someone can demonstrate the holiness of the books.

@Golazo: i see what you mean, and i have only one question to all: why just one book? Why do you want to gain inspiration from just one book when there's similar stories in most religious books? Why not read the Bhagavat Gita as well?
 

Golazo

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Sep 1, 2011
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@Golazo: i see what you mean, and i have only one question to all: why just one book? Why do you want to gain inspiration from just one book when there's similar stories in most religious books? Why not read the Bhagavat Gita as well?
As I said, the Bible was only an example. I am familiar with some teachings and writings of all religions, and I aim to know much more in the coming years. Buddhism astounds me.

All religions have right and wrong aspects, in my opinion. I reckon if you were to put them all together, you'd come up with something pretty darn good.
 
Apr 15, 2006
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As I said, the Bible was only an example. I am familiar with some teachings and writings of all religions, and I aim to know much more in the coming years. Buddhism astounds me.

All religions have right and wrong aspects, in my opinion. I reckon if you were to put them all together, you'd come up with something pretty darn good.
I agree with that. I think in the present age, we ought to study all of the good things in these scriptures, take from them the good aspects and ignore the bad and the supernatural aspects. Especially about how this world came to being. We have a MUCH more reliable system that works top answer those. Following just one religion is exactly the close-mindedness that we should aim to get rid of.
 

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