Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (21 Viewers)

[Nzoric]

Fantastic music though

 

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[Enron]

Don't have time to participate today so this is just an FYI to add to the conversation.

Recent discovery... Goldie Locks Planet. Somebody google it.

 

[Raz]

Don't have time to participate today so this is just an FYI to add to the conversation.

Recent discovery... Goldie Locks Planet. Somebody google it.

But what does that say about god being and him not being? I don't think that we are the center of the galaxy and the only life here and I think god exists.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Fantastic music though

Classical music is beautiful! At least religion had some good contributions. Not saying that God created this, but it gave singers something to sing about.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

But what does that say about god being and him not being? I don't think that we are the center of the galaxy and the only life here and I think god exists.

It'll give us a chance to observe the birth of new life. Might out an end to the debate whether God or evolution was responsible for life.

 

[Enron]

But what does that say about god being and him not being? I don't think that we are the center of the galaxy and the only life here and I think god exists.

That's the whole point decide for yourself what it means. Other people will have other ideas.

 

[Enron]

Links to newly discovered Planet:

HD 85512b

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/science/space/13planet.html

http://www.udreview.com/professors-...-of-life-on-new-planet-1.2641380#.TqAmZmBqchg

http://www.space.com/12918-habitable-alien-planet-hd-85512b-super-earth-infographic.html

Article on star Gliese 581

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130215192

 

[Raz]

It'll give us a chance to observe the birth of new life. Might out an end to the debate whether God or evolution was responsible for life.

What does evolution have to do to disproving gods existence? I mean yeah, if you take lets say bible literaly, but I don't think that one should take bible litteraly. So for me evolution doesn't anything to do with god existence question.

 

[Raz]

That's the whole point decide for yourself what it means. Other people will have other ideas.

I didn't want to come on offensive, I just wanted to ask, sorry if it came out of me wrong.

 

[Naggar]

I don't really know enough about Islam (other than the basics) and it's dealings with science to discuss it in depth. So you'll have to forgive that my argument comes from a Christian centered base.

Please do me a favour and read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Lost-History-Enduring-Scientists-Thinkers/dp/1426200927

Not the most accurate but the closest in English that I've read
some parts in the book he mentions in Islamic history how religious men stood against Muslim scientists then rulers (Caliphs) had to choose a side, sometimes narrow minded religious people were oppressed and sometimes scientists were sent away, mostly to Baghdad the world's center of knowledge back then. But those are exceptional cases, most of the time scientists were very supported by society and religion, I admit in all religions you'll find narrow minded ones who are against anything new but those don't speak for it they only speak for themselves.
And it shows the tolerance in Islam that all religions lived among them and one time a prime minister (the 2nd man in the country) was Jewish.
My favourite part is Islam in Andalusia and Abu Al-Qasim Al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), the greatest surgeon of his time if not all time, and a lot of our medical knowledge today is based on his books.

Shows science and religion getting along very well.

 

[Naggar]

Links to newly discovered Planet:

HD 85512b

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/science/space/13planet.html

http://www.udreview.com/professors-...-of-life-on-new-planet-1.2641380#.TqAmZmBqchg

http://www.space.com/12918-habitable-alien-planet-hd-85512b-super-earth-infographic.html

Article on star Gliese 581

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130215192

Very interesting, did they name it?

 

[swag]

Don't have time to participate today so this is just an FYI to add to the conversation.

Recent discovery... Goldie Locks Planet. Somebody google it.

I suppose some plumper porn stars might inspire some people to believe that there must be a god...

 

[ALC]

I just wanna see Goldie Locks' planets.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I just wanna see Goldie Locks' planets.

I see what you did there!

 

[swag]

"Who's been sleeping in my Burgsvik bed?"

 

[JuveJay]

Links to newly discovered Planet:

HD 85512b

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/science/space/13planet.html

http://www.udreview.com/professors-...-of-life-on-new-planet-1.2641380#.TqAmZmBqchg

http://www.space.com/12918-habitable-alien-planet-hd-85512b-super-earth-infographic.html

Article on star Gliese 581

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130215192

Unfortunately there is a lot of guesswork there, more research is needed. For example if we looked at Venus and Mars from the same distance (if we could measure planets that size) we would theorise that they are pretty much in the Goldilocks Zone in our Solar System. Relatively small measurements (in space terms) can have a big factor, especially the lifespan of a planet.

We will discover developed life on other planets but we are not quite there yet.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Classical music is beautiful! At least religion had some good contributions. Not saying that God created this, but it gave singers something to sing about.

There we agree Classical music is amazing!

 

[Enron]

Unfortunately there is a lot of guesswork there, more research is needed. For example if we looked at Venus and Mars from the same distance (if we could measure planets that size) we would theorise that they are pretty much in the Goldilocks Zone in our Solar System. Relatively small measurements (in space terms) can have a big factor, especially the lifespan of a planet.

We will discover developed life on other planets but we are not quite there yet.

I agree, it's mainly a "what if"/"this may be possible" finding at this point. Just figured it might deepen the discussion if there was a possibility of life on another planet and how that might affect theories and beliefs held by those participating in the thread.


Though I do appreciate your attempt.

 

[swag]

I actually don't buy the Goldilocks Planet premise. By that measure, there should be no life at the volcanic vents at the bottom of our oceans. But sure enough, it's there.

 

[Enron]

I actually don't buy the Goldilocks Planet premise. By that measure, there should be no life at the volcanic vents at the bottom of our oceans. But sure enough, it's there.

True, but the entire planet isn't the same temperature as a volcanic vent.

I think even Mars is suspected to have some life though it may only be in microscopic form. I think the idea is that planets like ours have a higher chance of having life that is similar to us.