Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (36 Viewers)

[swag]

That's because pharmaceutical companies bribe politicians though campaign funding.

One of the worst deregulation decisions of the past 20 years was allowing pharma companies to market directly to consumers. Now it's like, "Ever wake up tired? You may have acute shitwheresmycoffee syndrome. And we have a pill for that!"

 

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[Martin]

One of the worst deregulation decisions of the past 20 years was allowing pharma companies to market directly to consumers. Now it's like, "Ever wake up tired? You may have acute $#@!wheresmycoffee syndrome. And we have a pill for that!"

And they're lying. Only coffee cures that.

 

[Raz]

So does that mean any religion is as good as the next?

Obviously not. There are many false prophets. To me god is not religion, religion just helps reach him, so the more "time tested" the religion is I think the more it is closer to the god.

Because if the religion is false, it will obviously fail and loose it's fallowers through out a bigger span of time.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If you nitpick them for the face value and think that the cosmic egg is the birth of the universe then of course you will only think that your god is the only one.

But I don't have a god. All I have are different claims that their god is the one true god. Some gods go as far as declaring all the "other gods" as false. So whom am I supposed to worship? With whom should I try to communicate? Yahweh, Jesus, Vishnu, Allah, Waheguru, Pangu? I'm just asking which one is the true one and why.

So far I haven't see any major teachings that would really differ or oppose to other religions, I see those stories bound to the goegraphy the same as I see the name god differ from one continent to other. What I fail to see is the major and principal difference of what they try to say and teach.

Consider this: the criteria upon which a human gets judged after his death differs from religion to religion. Jesus says he is the truth, the way, the life. Only through him can we get into the kingdom of god. Allah says those who believe in 1 god(Allah, obviously), believe in the last day of judgement, and leads a righteous life gets into heaven. Brahman says someone who does more good deeds than evil will go to heaven.

Is this not major to you?

EDIT: Not to mention what happens after we die. Some say judgement in front of god, some say reincarnation. Again, major differences!

 

[Martin]

Obviously not. There are many false prophets. To me god is not religion, religion just helps reach him, so the more "time tested" the religion is I think the more it is closer to the god.

Because if the religion is false, it will obviously fail and loose it's fallowers through out a bigger span of time.

What a pseudo scientific argument, you should be ashamed.

So which one is the most credible? The oldest?

 

[swag]

And they're lying. Only coffee cures that.

The problem is that pharma companies have dumped money into dead-end research, so they try to salvage the drug by pitching it to off-label side-effects as designed afflictions and cures. So they make up the afflictions once they have a cure in hand.

And consumers, now being directly marketed to, put the bum rush on their physicians to basically sign off a bogus prescription to get that monkey off their backs. And people wonder why the price of health care is heading to low-earth orbit...

One of the ironies here being that a state-paid health insurance system could have incentives to back off from the pharma lobbying while as a private enterprise it has zero incentive.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Obviously not. There are many false prophets. To me god is not religion, religion just helps reach him, so the more "time tested" the religion is I think the more it is closer to the god.

Because if the religion is false, it will obviously fail and loose it's fallowers through out a bigger span of time.

Then how do you determine who is false and who is true?

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What a pseudo scientific argument, you should be ashamed.

 

[Martin]

The problem is that pharma companies have dumped money into dead-end research, so they try to salvage the drug by pitching it to off-label side-effects as designed afflictions and cures. So they make up the afflictions once they have a cure in hand.

And consumers, now being directly marketed to, put the bum rush on their physicians to basically sign off a bogus prescription to get that monkey off their backs. And people wonder why the price of health care is heading to low-earth orbit...

But but but they have a responsibility to their shareholders!!! Surely you don't want them to be unethical??

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Then how do you determine who is false and who is true?

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That takes a lot some of it is introspection some of it is esoteric knowledge and it bears fruit in your search. In mine with my Christianity, Freemasonry and extensive esoteric knowledge I have come to my answer.

 

[Martin]

That takes a lot some of it is introspection some of it is esoteric knowledge and it bears fruit in your search. In mine with my Christianity, Freemasonry and extensive esoteric knowledge I have come to my answer.

Awesome. Could you answer my question too?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Awesome. Could you answer my question too?

The one about court I did. Its not relevant

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That takes a lot some of it is introspection some of it is esoteric knowledge and it bears fruit in your search. In mine with my Christianity, Freemasonry and extensive esoteric knowledge I have come to my answer.

So belief in god is subjective and not empirical?

 

[Martin]

The one about court I did. Its not relevant

I said isn't God's law more important than human law?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

So belief in god is subjective and not empirical?

Well if one is not privy to certain things then yes I guess

 

[Raz]

What a pseudo scientific argument, you should be ashamed.

So which one is the most credible? The oldest?

Hard to say

Who knows man, I'm not arguing or trying to prove a scale by which you could measure credibility. I just said that religions that tend to die are not right, or the easiest path to god.

In my opinion religion isn't god, but a way to the god, and that's why I'm bored to even discuss them and their legitamacy.

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Then how do you determine who is false and who is true?

From my and people around me experience.

 

[swag]

But but but they have a responsibility to their shareholders!!! Surely you don't want them to be unethical??

My wife does a lot of PR and marketing for healthcare and pharma. She often comes across ethical problems that just cannot be solved in an entirely free market.

Take for example cancer. Big money for a lot of health care systems, hospitals, doctors, and pharma companies. There's genomic research now that shows that women who run negative for a certain genetics test on breast cancer have only a 1 in 9 chance that chemotherapy will do anything for them at all -- i.e., besides costing a lot of money, making them puke their guts out for several months, and making them lose all their hair. But the oncologists themselves run chemo labs, etc., so all their profit motives are set up to push all women with breast cancer through the chemo machinery regardless.

Only an outside agency, such as government oversight, is in a position to prevent a lot of people making tons of money to do nothing but make a lot of people unnecessarily much sicker and poorer under the fake auspices of "doing everything necessary to treat their breast cancer".

Apologies for being so off topic. It's crap like this that pisses me off about all the retards who think there's no role for government in health care.

 

[Martin]

Hard to say

Who knows man, I'm not arguing or trying to prove a scale by which you could measure credibility. I just said that religions that tend to die are not right, or the easiest path to god.

In my opinion religion isn't god, but a way to the god, and that's why I'm bored to even discuss them and their legitamacy.

That doesn't make sense. If it's the way to god you should be excited. Or is there another shorter path?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I said isn't God's law more important than human law?

Yes but your example would be contrary to God's law so that person wouldn't be following God's law

 

[Martin]

My wife does a lot of PR and marketing for healthcare and pharma. She often comes across ethical problems that just cannot be solved in an entirely free market.

Take for example cancer. Big money for a lot of health care systems, hospitals, doctors, and pharma companies. There's genomic research now that shows that women who run negative for a certain genetics test on breast cancer have only a 1 in 9 chance that chemotherapy will do anything for them at all -- i.e., besides costing a lot of money, making them puke their guts out for several months, and making them lose all their hair. But the oncologists themselves run chemo labs, etc., so all their profit motives are set up to push all women with breast cancer through the chemo machinery regardless.

Only an outside agency, such as government oversight, is in a position to prevent a lot of people making tons of money to do nothing but make a lot of people unnecessarily much sicker and poorer under the fake auspices of "doing everything necessary to treat their breast cancer".

Gee Mac, it almost sounds like you're saying the system is rigged. Unless these people are all just bad apples?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

That doesn't make sense. If it's the way to god you should be excited. Or is there another shorter path?

Actually the shorter and easier paths are usually the false paths