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Ascension

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Sep 16, 2005
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    I'm happy to have now learned a bit about Islam. Very interesting and good posts from a couple of you. Thanx.

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    Belgico

    Numero Venti Due
    Dec 28, 2006
    863
    I think there is a god but i don't think that he rules it all
    If u know what i mean

    U've to make your own decisions
    I don't believe in a certain destiny
    You have to do it your self on your own way if you want something
     

    Omair

    Herticity
    Sep 27, 2006
    3,254
    The embryonic stages stated before was very similiar to some idea from Greek thinkers. And back then Greek writings were widely spread in arab.
    http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/embryo.html
    I disagree with this site totally. The guys who made this site are just talking bull shit about Islam and Quran ... They know nothing about the real facts and I don't know where they are getting that crap ...

    And about your claim that Greek writings were spread in Arab world .. I cannot disagree but I'm telling you that those writings were spread after the Hijri first century has ended .. which means at least 90 years after Prophet Mohammed PBUH has died. Therefore, your argument and the sites argument about embryonic stages in Quran is a duplicate of the Greek scholars ideas is busted ...
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,871
    Islam requires belief in all the prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Confucius and Zoroaster. We regard them all (and many more not mentioned here) as heavenly teachers born to reform and regenerate man and lead him to God.
    Ze, where did you get this from?? Islam does believe in 25 prophets, but Krishna, Buddha, Confucius and Zoroaster are not from them for sure...
     

    mikhail

    Senior Member
    Jan 24, 2003
    9,576
    And about your claim that Greek writings were spread in Arab world .. I cannot disagree but I'm telling you that those writings were spread after the Hijri first century has ended .. which means at least 90 years after Prophet Mohammed PBUH has died...
    That seems unlikely, unless you're talking about some very specific ideas. The Greeks' writings went all over the place.
     

    Rami

    The Linuxologist
    Dec 24, 2004
    8,065
    That seems unlikely, unless you're talking about some very specific ideas. The Greeks' writings went all over the place.
    Wouldn't really matter, Arab's at those times were illiterate. Only a few were able to read and write, perhaps a couple of people in every tribe. The written language wasn't developed anyways, it was very rudimentry, the basics of Arabic writing were laid down in the first hijri century (after the Muhammads PBUH death).

    The era before Islam was called "Jahili" which literally means "sheer ignorance."

    Arabs before Islam, were too busy fighting amongst each other over petty reasons. As petty as waging full length wars that extended for years over a camel (no BS). When you say "all over the place", it is probably true, but Arabia was not even considered a place at those times. Any literature (if any) arriving on that arrid peninsuela would've ended as toilet paper anyways....
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,871
    That seems unlikely, unless you're talking about some very specific ideas. The Greeks' writings went all over the place.
    Actually, that site has made very giant efforts to prove that Quran was not the first book to prove the origin of the humans, so what?? Who claimed that Quran was the exclusive reference for that??

    Look. Quran might have some similarities with what was said by some Greek scientists, but you have to keep in mind that other European scientists had wrong theories too. So, what made that Beduin guy who didn't have a proper study discriminate between the people who said the right things and people who said stupid things. May I remind everybody what was done in Europe for those who said that Earth was not the centre of the universe before less than 400 years??

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/galilei_galileo.shtml

    Briefly, Quran was not a scientific reference ever, but the verses in it did tell many things that ended to be proved by science and technology after more than one thousand years...
     

    Zé Tahir

    JhoolayLaaaal!
    Moderator
    Dec 10, 2004
    29,281
    Ze, where did you get this from?? Islam does believe in 25 prophets, but Krishna, Buddha, Confucius and Zoroaster are not from them for sure...
    Actually, the Qur'an mentions that there were over 100,000 prophets around the world. As for the names mentioned above, as an Ahmadi we believe them to be prophets. If my internet connection wasn't so bad right now I'd give you a link. If you're interested, I can give it to you later.
     

    Rami

    The Linuxologist
    Dec 24, 2004
    8,065
    Actually, the Qur'an mentions that there were over 100,000 prophets around the world. As for the names mentioned above, as an Ahmadi we believe them to be prophets. If my internet connection wasn't so bad right now I'd give you a link. If you're interested, I can give it to you later.
    No the Quran states 25 prophets, and others unreveiled to us, but didn't specify a number. However the Prophet's Hadith's state that there are 314 prophets and thousands of messengers.
     

    Zé Tahir

    JhoolayLaaaal!
    Moderator
    Dec 10, 2004
    29,281
    Sorry, I meant hadith. According to one saying of the Holy Prophet (saw) there were 124,000 prophets.

    he Quran states 25 prophets, and others unreveiled to us, but didn't specify a number. However the Prophet's Hadith's state that there are 314 prophets and thousands of messengers.
    Wrong. The Qur'an mentions 28. Here:

    Adam (peace be upon him), Noah (peace be upon him), Abraham (peace be upon him), Lot (peace be upon him), Ishmael (peace be upon him), Isaac (peace be upon him), Jacob (peace be upon him), Joseph (peace be upon him), Hud (peace be upon him), Salih (peace be upon him), Shuaib (peace be upon him), Moses (peace be upon him), Aaron (peace be upon him), David (peace be upon him), Solomon (peace be upon him), Elias (Elijah) (peace be upon him), Jonah (peace be upon him), Ezekiel (Dhul-Kifl) (peace be upon him), Elisha (Alyasa) (peace be upon him), Idris (Enoch) (peace be upon him) (19:57), Job (peace be upon him) (4:164), Zechariah (peace be upon him) (19:3), John (Yahya) (peace be upon him) (3:40), Jesus (peace be upon him) (3:46), Luqman (peace be upon him) (31:13), Ezra (peace be upon him) (9:30), Dhul-Qarnain (peace be upon him) (18:84), Mohammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) (48:30).
     

    Rami

    The Linuxologist
    Dec 24, 2004
    8,065
    Sorry, I meant hadith. According to one saying of the Holy Prophet (saw) there were 124,000 prophets.



    Wrong. The Qur'an mentions 28. Here:
    Dhul Qarnain and Luqman are not considered prophets, whilst prophet Mohammed isn't usually counted in most literature since you know!!! It's prophet Mohammed!!:D

    Edit: Just noticed Rebel's post. And started to wonder who is Ezra in the first place...few seconds and figured it out. And yes Rebel you are right, Ezra is the third one. Forget my last comment about Prophet Mohmmed.:D
     

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