Most of the scarab beetle jokes go way over my head. 
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Oh no you don't. You come in with the most quirky, unintelligible jokes everyday, you don't get to plead ignorance on this one.
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And how's this for the open-minded cultural sensitivity department yesterday?:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-to-cure-daugthers-psychiatric-problems.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-to-cure-daugthers-psychiatric-problems.html
Today there were a lot of muslim girls in front of the school in Antwerp that I told you guys about, the one that has forbidden veils. They had a couple of banners up as well "no veil, no students". They made some grammatical errors and they made some idiotic claims (such as "we're being oppressed by the Belgian government") so they really looked like fools. Add to that that they started to harass girls that didn't wear veils and it's clear the school was right. It's a pity, but some people can't handle freedom.
That's what i mind about us men
In this case muslim men.
They'll keep telling you that the woman want to wear X or Y and it's women's own choice. They know it because "their sisters or friends told them so".
They don't ask themselves if it's possible that those girls could possibly lie because they know that they can't really say openly how they hate wearing that, or that those girls don't even know about another way.
Personally i'm 100% sure that if those women, especially the younger ones, are given a choice to wear or not to wear, without any consequences whatsoever if they choose not to wear burquas or even hijabs, a huge majority will choose not to wear them and after few years, or maybe a decade, all of them will choose not to wear burqas or coats or hijabs.
Especially when it's fucking 40 degrees outside.
Your sure, are you?
No point discussing anything anymore with you guys when you make baseless assumptions, and just say that you're sure about it.
Fred, ask yourself this. In cultures where there is no religion or custom of wearing a scarf over your head, do women do it? Have you ever seen women spontaneously do this in any non-Muslim culture elsewhere where the decision is purely their own with no peer pressure or tradition involved?
If this is something that women commonly wanted to do, wouldn't they be doing it in Europe and America and Japan and so on just because they liked it? So why don't they? Why is it that the only women who do it are those brought up in a Muslim culture?
If this is something that women commonly wanted to do, wouldn't they be doing it in Europe and America and Japan and so on just because they liked it? So why don't they? Why is it that the only women who do it are those brought up in a Muslim culture?
I never said non muslim women wanted to wear a scarf over their head.
Muslim women meanwhile, at least the large majority of them wear it out of choice.
There are many women that work here and live alone, their brothers/fathers/ etc are not with them. Yet they still wear veils.
But really there is no point in continuing this discussion imo. At least for me there isn't.
Muslim women meanwhile, at least the large majority of them wear it out of choice.
There are many women that work here and live alone, their brothers/fathers/ etc are not with them. Yet they still wear veils.
But really there is no point in continuing this discussion imo. At least for me there isn't.
It's not about being under constant threat from your family. It's about beliefs ingrained deep into your psyche. Like have you ever heard about people who've been in prison for a really long time who actually fear coming out into the world? Because for so long they have been artificially sheltered from it that they don't believe they can handle it. It's that kind of thing, it's a long term effect, it's not the kid who's just looking for his parents to leave the house to go for the cookie jar.
I think this decision by Sarkozy is pretty stupid. Like Juve Rev said, its hypocritical. French citizens should have the right to wear what ever they please. And although Andries says rights do conflict, I don't really see how the right to wear symbolic religious clothing conflicts with any rights of those who opt not to do so.
Sarkozy states that the Burqa deprives women of their identity. But it can be perceived as the contrary, these women regard their religion as part of their identity.
Although I don't think women should be forced to wear anything, they still should bare the right to make the choice.
Sarkozy states that the Burqa deprives women of their identity. But it can be perceived as the contrary, these women regard their religion as part of their identity.
Although I don't think women should be forced to wear anything, they still should bare the right to make the choice.
That's what i mind about us men
In this case muslim men.
They'll keep telling you that the woman want to wear X or Y and it's women's own choice. They know it because "their sisters or friends told them so".
They don't ask themselves if it's possible that those girls could possibly lie because they know that they can't really say openly how they hate wearing that, or that those girls don't even know about another way.
Personally i'm 100% sure that if those women, especially the younger ones, are given a choice to wear or not to wear, without any consequences whatsoever if they choose not to wear burquas or even hijabs, a huge majority will choose not to wear them and after few years, or maybe a decade, all of them will choose not to wear burqas or coats or hijabs.
Especially when it's fucking 40 degrees outside.
i agree that some girls would feel pressure from their familly or culture, but i know girls who come from very relaxed backgrounds and they chose to wear it, one girl i know was chucked out of her house for wearing it because her father felt it was extreme, she has no pressure from men, for her, it's her religeous obligation, i.e. a requirement from god, not man
(i am talking about hijaab by the way, not the burka)