Ehrm it seems like you agree with the points Im making, you are just labeling it differently. If it makes me a fanboy in your eyes that I say that based on his output in numbers, we couldnt have expected much more, thats ok with me. You can talk for yourself as well.
I agree that it is good that we moved on and saved the costs of another season with his high salary, as I simple dont believe that we have the team ready to really benefit from having a top striker. Its simply a waste of resources and as I said, we need to rebuild and improve on 8 out of 11 positions in the team. We had the momentum and we had the opportunity to build a CL winning team when we acquired him, but we blew it.
I agree that it is good that we moved on and saved the costs of another season with his high salary, as I simple dont believe that we have the team ready to really benefit from having a top striker. Its simply a waste of resources and as I said, we need to rebuild and improve on 8 out of 11 positions in the team. We had the momentum and we had the opportunity to build a CL winning team when we acquired him, but we blew it.
I expect that there will be plenty of back and forth debates as to his status and legacy here, it’s normal for it to be debated but i do honestly believe that at least on tuZ there is a general consensus (other than a few exceptions) that his place is in the Rookie section, primarily because of having just as many goods and bads to his stay here, i too understand the other side of the story and if you had asked me the same question around last summer my opinion would have been slightly different then aswell but after the disaster season we have had the past year there’s genuinly no point into blindly protecting him and ultimately no logic into continuing together when he was clearly unhappy.
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i’m genuinly not accusing you directly of being a fanboy, i’m just pointing out that blaming everyone else but him for our shortcomings is what defines that ‘cult’.
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i’m genuinly not accusing you directly of being a fanboy, i’m just pointing out that blaming everyone else but him for our shortcomings is what defines that ‘cult’.
Manchester bought him 2003 for 19 mio an they won a lot of trophies (CL included 2008), sold him in 2008 for 90 mio = big win
real bought hin 2009 for 90 mio and they also won a lot of trophies (cl included 4x), sold him in 2018 for 105 mio = big win
juve bought him in 2018 for 117 mio, became worse, won less trophies, played in empty stadiums and sold him in 2021 for 28 mio = we are a big joke
real bought hin 2009 for 90 mio and they also won a lot of trophies (cl included 4x), sold him in 2018 for 105 mio = big win
juve bought him in 2018 for 117 mio, became worse, won less trophies, played in empty stadiums and sold him in 2021 for 28 mio = we are a big joke
My summary:
-€400M isn’t to cover COVID losses. It’s to replace the €300M from 2019 which was burned up by Covid. Those funds were to be used as part of a 5 year plan (2019-2024) to fund a growth strategy.
-The total expected impact from covid is €320M from 2019-2022, so in theory this injection should provide for €380M in funds to be invested into the growth project. This is enough to pay off all of Juventus’ net debt (€350M)…it’s a shit load of cash. And it’s going to be used to grow the club not pay off their debt because Juventus usually maintains debt around those levels.
-Ronaldo leaving a year early for a transfer fee in the icing on the cake. The company would expense €90M (€60M cash from his gross wages + €30M in amortization) related to Ronaldo. That essentially disappears, lowering Juve’s cost base by €90M
-Juve’s wage bill is about €310M right now. Ronaldo was being paid €60M…that is considerable relief. Wage bill drops to €250M. Revenues will also recover somewhat this year as people are allowed back into Stadiums.
- the key is that Ronaldo didn’t provide Juventus with growth decree benefits. By electing to have his foreign income at $100k, his salary couldn’t be taxed at the lower level in conjunction with the growth decree (where 50% of income is taxable). The result? €60m in gross wages yielded €35M net. If Juve replace him with a foreign star(s), they would be able to pay €47M in net wages out of the same €60M gross.
The result: my belief is by year end, we’ll be swimming in cash. We can totally afford Haaland. Don’t think small because remember that original €300M in 2019 was to buy the next Ronaldo. Juve will try for Haaland. Perhaps they fail. But I promise they try.
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-€400M isn’t to cover COVID losses. It’s to replace the €300M from 2019 which was burned up by Covid. Those funds were to be used as part of a 5 year plan (2019-2024) to fund a growth strategy.
-The total expected impact from covid is €320M from 2019-2022, so in theory this injection should provide for €380M in funds to be invested into the growth project. This is enough to pay off all of Juventus’ net debt (€350M)…it’s a shit load of cash. And it’s going to be used to grow the club not pay off their debt because Juventus usually maintains debt around those levels.
-Ronaldo leaving a year early for a transfer fee in the icing on the cake. The company would expense €90M (€60M cash from his gross wages + €30M in amortization) related to Ronaldo. That essentially disappears, lowering Juve’s cost base by €90M
-Juve’s wage bill is about €310M right now. Ronaldo was being paid €60M…that is considerable relief. Wage bill drops to €250M. Revenues will also recover somewhat this year as people are allowed back into Stadiums.
- the key is that Ronaldo didn’t provide Juventus with growth decree benefits. By electing to have his foreign income at $100k, his salary couldn’t be taxed at the lower level in conjunction with the growth decree (where 50% of income is taxable). The result? €60m in gross wages yielded €35M net. If Juve replace him with a foreign star(s), they would be able to pay €47M in net wages out of the same €60M gross.
The result: my belief is by year end, we’ll be swimming in cash. We can totally afford Haaland. Don’t think small because remember that original €300M in 2019 was to buy the next Ronaldo. Juve will try for Haaland. Perhaps they fail. But I promise they try.
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If he thinks that he still need some stepping stone before the big moves (as he still 22 next year), we will be the perfect place for him looking at our core young players. Maybe the leap will happen at 25 for him. Given our great relationship with Raiola, that is seems doable. and we will be just okay to slap some 150m+ release clause in his contract, no problemo
I will pray day and night for God to put us in his heart
I will pray day and night for God to put us in his heart
Its a job man and he did it well while he was here. The club failed with its other transfers and coaching choices. Agnelli and co didn't do a good job the last 3 years not Ronaldo.
I don't understand how folks in a team sport like Football can pin the blame for our decline on the one player who has been scoring ~30 Goals for the last 3 years, and not the management that has hired bad coaches and bought a series of bad players in the same period.
Thus far Beppe Marotta has proved to be the best of the bunch.
I don't understand how folks in a team sport like Football can pin the blame for our decline on the one player who has been scoring ~30 Goals for the last 3 years, and not the management that has hired bad coaches and bought a series of bad players in the same period.
Thus far Beppe Marotta has proved to be the best of the bunch.
Those are. Ronaldo’s wasn’t. He makes so much from foreign income so taking the €100k flat tax on foreign earnings made more sense. Since you can’t have both tax benefits, Juve had to pay him a full gross since he is taxed regularly on domestic earnings. But for the others: De Ligt and Ramsey both benefit from the growth decree.
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