Cristiano Ronaldo (281 Viewers)

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
he's gonna beat dybala's record this season. maybe even platini and charles if we go far in CL and make it to Coppa final.

in the 10 matches he has played in since new year he has scored 7 goals. i think we can for sure he will beat platini and charles
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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What the hell was wrong with him tonight?
Wrong? He played really well. Even if he didnt score, he created several opportunities and contributed in difficult periods to our build up.

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He had to score that chance he had when his shot got blocked by inters defender. You fake shot, send the inter defender flying and you calmly finish. A very bad move by him on that chance. Should have scored.
A guy that scored 0 goals giving goalscoring tips to a guy that scored 700 goals....
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
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Wrong? He played really well. Even if he didnt score, he created several opportunities and contributed in difficult periods to our build up.

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A guy that scored 0 goals giving goalscoring tips to a guy that scored 700 goals....
762 actually :D
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,055
Yeah ik, I mean by all means criticize a guy after a bad game, which tonight it wasnt, if you get kicks out of it, despite the fact that he is for the 3rd year in a row our most consistent performer. But pls, telling CR7 how he should move infront of the goal is absurd.
 

Arcticdaly

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2018
4,075
Yeah ik, I mean by all means criticize a guy after a bad game, which tonight it wasnt, if you get kicks out of it, despite the fact that he is for the 3rd year in a row our most consistent performer. But pls, telling CR7 how he should move infront of the goal is absurd.
Best to ignore that idiot i dont think he has posted a single postive thing about ronaldo in this thread in the 2 seasons he has been here and always complaining, its clear he just hates the guy but yet he wanks over Ibra.

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this wasted chance after the dribble was such a pity. it would have been a legendary goal!
I dont think that lovely dribble was a bad miss it was a good save from keeper the one before that tho was a terrible miss.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,777
horncastle on cr and zlatan:
https://theathletic.com/2376840/2021/02/10/ibrahimovic-and-ronaldo-the-benjamin-buttons-of-serie-a/
Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo: The Benjamin Buttons of Serie A
James Horncastle and Tom Worville Feb 9, 2021
Brahim Diaz looks up to Zlatan Ibrahimovic and not just because the towering Swede stands over him. “He’s the same age as my Dad,” the diminutive Milan playmaker said, bright-eyed. “We can all see what he’s capable of. He keeps making the difference. Age is relative in football and he’s proving it.” The same is true of Cristiano Ronaldo. “I grew up watching him,” the five-time Ballon d’Or winner’s strike partner, Alvaro Morata, explained. “It’s a source of pride for me. I get to tell my kids I played with him.”
Ibrahimovic turns 40 this autumn. Ronaldo celebrated his 36th birthday last week. Declining they most certainly are not. “I’m like Benjamin Button,” Ibrahimovic repeats. Ronaldo claims his biological age is 25.
The two of them are at the top of the scoring charts in Serie A and will duke it out with Romelu Lukaku and the reigning Golden Shoe winner Ciro Immobile between now and the end of the season. Ibrahimovic has scored 14 times in 10 starts. He’s averaging a goal every 62 minutes. It’s the best campaign of his life and it would be even better if he hadn’t missed penalties against Bologna and Verona. No one in Europe has a better ratio than his 1.43 goals per 90 at the moment of players with a minimum of 30 minutes played per game on average. Not even Robert Lewandowski (1.36 per 90 in the Bundesliga).
Keep this pace up and the wit from Rosengard will surpass the career-high ratio of 1.34 goals per 90 he set at Paris Saint Germain in 2015-16 when he had the most prolific year in Ligue 1 (38 goals) since Josip Skoblar, the longstanding holder of the French single-season scoring record (44). Edinson Cavani, Neymar, Kylian Mbappe. You name them. His successors at PSG are yet to match those numbers.
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(Photo: Pablo Morano/MB Media/Getty Images)
For now, Ronaldo is ahead of Ibrahimovic in the race to be named Capocannoniere. The scoring title has eluded him so far in Italy and the presence of the Madeira-born goal-getter only enhances the achievements of Fabio Quagliarella and Immobile in beating the former Real Madrid and Manchester United star to it over the last couple of years. Ronaldo is the frontrunner this time and as with Ibrahimovic, who matched Andriy Shevchenko in scoring in each of Milan’s first six games of the season, he made a historically hot start. The Portuguese forward became only the second Juventus player in the past six decades to find the back of the net eight times in his first eight league appearances of the season. He has doubled that total to 16 in the meantime, while also breezing past Pele’s career total of 757 in January.
But we digress. Honing back in on this season’s tally, it’s a fine return by any standard and isn’t as inflated by penalty kicks as it was a year ago. Ronaldo has put away four but, as with Ibrahimovic, goalkeepers like Pierluigi Gollini can say they’ve thwarted him from 12 yards this term. Remarkably Ronaldo’s average of 0.99 goals per 90 is only the ninth-best record of his illustrious career. If the league were to vote on its MVP award right now, the fact he’s played six games-worth of minutes more than Ibrahimovic would no doubt be taken into consideration but let’s revisit that debate in May…
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(Photo: Matteo Bottanelli/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
What’s clear is Stefano Pioli and Andrea Pirlo have sought to accentuate their predatory instincts. Ibrahimovic has one assist, which when adjusted for minutes played is 0.1 per 90, the lowest in any season of his career so far. Similarly, Ronaldo only has two, which also figures as the least inventive return of his career on a per 90 basis (0.12, just behind last season’s 0.15). How do we explain it?
This time last year Milan weren’t the league leaders they are today. The team was in mid-table and went into the winter break on the back of a 5-0 hiding from Atalanta. When Ibrahimovic arrived in January he had to double up as facilitator and finisher. His xG and xG assisted numbers were excellent, hovering around the best 10 per cent of players in the top five leagues. As Milan gained in confidence and the potential of their talented young players came to the fore, Ibrahimovic was able to pass on some of the creative responsibilities to his team-mates and focus on scoring.
Let’s take a look at his StatsBomb radar. Last season is shaded red. This season is coloured blue. The stats in the radar are displayed as percentiles — showing what percentage of players across the top five leagues he is higher than — with the requisite stat shown in the table to the right-hand side. This is a more accurate visual representation of these statistics, as Ibrahimovic this season has multiple metrics where he’s better than 99 per cent of players in the sample, and thus his stat goes right to the edge of the radar.
What you’ll notice is Ibrahimovic is getting into the box more, his shot volume has increased and his playmaking has fallen. His non-penalty goals per 90 was good at 0.49 last season, this season, at 1.06 per 90, he’s redefined what “good” is.
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Ronaldo has undergone a similar refinement. Pirlo thinks the role Juventus have given their record signing — more central with a compatible partner — “tires him out less” and keeps him sharper for longer. One of the problems last year, when Ronaldo still had the most prolific campaign by a Juventus player since Felice Borel in the 1930s, was the team’s inability to get bodies into the opposition penalty area. Paulo Dybala tended to come short or drift to the right side and there were no midfield runners. It meant Ronaldo was often isolated and crowded out by a gang of markers.
Morata’s return and Weston McKennie’s late runs into the box have changed that dynamic. Ronaldo is shooting less than last season because there’s now more variation to Juventus’ attack. He also knows that when a chance comes his way it’s likely to be a good chance. He isn’t firing off shots out of frustration to quite the same degree as this time last year. Looking at Ronaldo’s radar and the table on the right-hand side, it paints a picture of a player getting better quality attempts in front of goal.
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Morata has been a huge factor in each of these statistical upticks. “I understand the runs he makes and what he likes,” the Spaniard explained. “Often I draw defenders away from him with my movement. I think it’s useful for him not to have two or three defenders always stuck to him.”
But there is much more than a dash here and a check back there to this complementary strike duo. At 0.56 per 90, Morata leads the league in assists. Four of the seven goals he has set up in Serie A have been for Ronaldo and there have been times when he should have taken a shot instead of forcing a pass to his partner. “Morata is Juve’s Benzema,” observed Fabio Capello.
Out of possession, Ronaldo is no different to last season. When looking at open-play passes per 90, his part in Juventus’ build-up has not changed, although one of the highlights of the campaign was the sight of him tracking back to steal the ball from Lionel Messi on the edge of his own penalty area in the final stages of the 3-0 win over Barcelona at the Nou Camp.
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(Photo: David Ramos/Getty Images)
At the weekend, Pirlo asked him to alternate with Morata in shadowing Roma’s deep-lying playmaker Gonzalo Villar. “He’s always been open to it,” the suave coach said. “He’s always respected the instructions I’ve given.”
And yet the emphasis is on Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo as punishers not pressers. Younger hustlers do the running for them. They instead have become penalty-box sharks, circling, surfacing and submerging before going in for the kill. It remains spectacular. But it’s a different spectacle to earlier on in their careers when the pair of them used to launch net-busting missiles from distance. These days it’s laser-sharp precision, clean technique, a soaring leap or a “why always me?” element that distinguishes them. For instance, Ibrahimovic has not scored from outside the box since his return to Italy and, as you can see from his goal map, Ronaldo’s perfectly placed effort against Roma on Saturday night was only the fourth he’s struck from long range in his time on the Old Lady’s arm.
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Clinical and clutch all the same, there’s a good chance one of them ends the season as the oldest top scorer in the five top European leagues. Atletico Madrid’s Luis Suarez and Bayern Munich’s Lewandowski, the current Pichichi and Torjagerkanone elect, are 34 and 32 respectively — children compared with Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic. Peaks are clearly lasting longer with advances in nutrition and conditioning. Class is also permanent.
“Zlatan’s an athlete who has remarkable motivation,” Pioli said in the afterglow of the former Malmo graduate scoring the 500th and 501st goals of his club career at the weekend. “The way he looks after his body is perfect in every way: nutrition, recovery, injury prevention. He’s an exceptional professional and is supported by an unbelievable physique. Sure he gets tired. But he never complains. It’s become a bit of a game for our players to see who gets to training first and who leaves last. I’m always in first (he laughs). But there’s never been a day when Zlatan has skipped a session. If he stays in top shape, he can keep making the difference with the skills he’s got.”
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Arthur recently told a story about Ronaldo’s work ethic. “There are some days when we get back after a game at two in the morning and he’s thinking about training,” the Brazilian playmaker said. “Who does that? I keep saying he’s addicted. But what can you say when someone’s won that many Ballon d’Or awards. He’s a great player. He’s helped me a lot since I joined (from Barcelona). Even when it comes to food, he tells me what to eat.”
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If Ibrahimovic wins the Capocannoniere prize nine years after he last outscored everybody else in Serie A, he’ll surpass Luca Toni and Dario Hubner as the oldest player to come out on top of the goal charts. Ronaldo by the same token would pretty much track what Quagliarella did two seasons ago. Perhaps it’s no surprise that either of them are in the running for the scoring title given the league they’re playing in. The table below lists the most goals scored by players aged 35 and over in a given season, and guess what? The top five are all from Serie A.
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The league has become more attacking than it was when Ibrahimovic first arrived in Turin 15 years ago. The influence of Sacchi and Guardiola’s ideas on a new generation of Italian coaches, the drift away from man-marking concepts, the introduction of VAR, and greater demands on centre-backs and goalkeepers to be ball-players first and shot-stoppers second has been manna from heaven for strikers of a certain vintage. This season a congested fixture list has meant less time on the training ground to work on defensive organisation, more fatigue and the absence of crowds has perhaps made it more difficult for defenders to stay alert and sense danger.
It’s no coincidence that the single-season scoring record in Italy has been broken and matched twice by Gonzalo Higuain and Immobile in the last four years, while wily old foxes like Luca Toni, Quagliarella, Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo have lent on their experience to take advantage of a looser, less risk-averse game.
Here’s another table showing the most goals scored by a player aged 35 or older for each season going back to 2010-11. The majority come from Serie A again, but the numbers at times are really low. See Hernan Crespo racking up just nine goals a decade ago and David Di Michele — now an eight-a-side player in the league Francesco Totti plays in — barely breaking double figures.
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As a page in history, this is the tail-end of Jose Mourinho’s lock-it-down treble winners and the end of a generation of old-school, safety-first managers who were more insular and less exposed to the tiki-taka and gegenpressing of Spain and Germany. It does not diminish the feat. It is still astonishing that, come the end of the season, two over-35s could finish the season in Italy with more than 20 goals apiece.
Some will inevitably point to the stereotype of Serie A as slower in pace but, for all the trends it has adopted, which means it now has more in common with other leagues, this perceived tempo drop has always come from the intensity of tactical instruction, the extremism of organisation, the lack of space and insistence on a pessimistic mindset in the defensive phase, where players are told to fear the worst precisely so they don’t let a cross come in or a pass in behind or a player like Ibrahimovic or Ronaldo go unmarked.
“It’s a better league with Ibra in it,” Ibrahimovic said of the standard in Serie A. Joking aside — he was actually deadly serious — Ibrahimovic observed: “When I was last here, Atalanta and Verona weren’t as good as they are now. I see more teams fighting. I’ve played in lots of countries. Italy is the toughest league for a striker.”
Both have an obvious self-interest in saying it’s the hardest league to score goals in. But why not give them the benefit of the doubt? After all, both actually have the experience of playing in the top leagues and are better placed than us to make that judgment. They have seen everything, adapted to circumstance, moved with the times, know their bodies better now than they did 10 years ago and are as lethal as ever. They’re hungry, too. Ronaldo insisted on checking the referee’s watch in Saturday’s win over Roma, incredulous that there was no vibrating confirmation from goal-line technology to signal that one of his shots had crossed the line upon hitting the bottom of the bar and bouncing down.
He needn’t worry. It’ll buzz again. And again and again. Most watches would suggest their time is up. But Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo can’t stop scoring.
 

sgjuveboy

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2012
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SPORTS BIBLE just ranked Pele and Romario over Cr7 as the greatest goal scorers in history.

Another dog crap comparison.

Pele played his football 10000 years ago against defenders who part times as pao sellers, and also inflated his numbers randomly in every interview since video camera wasn’t used for all games back then.

And Romario is just another Brazilian wuss who scored most of his goal in Brazil and Dutch league back in the 80s.

Meanwhile, CR7 player against super human pumped up by protein shake and performance enhancement substances, for more than 10 years straight!

Meanwhile, I just turned professional two years ago and I played in the Fiji Premier league, made up of me and two toddlers. I scored 1000000 goals as of today.

So, SPORT BIBLE, please rank me above pele Romario and Ronaldo.
 

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