Cristiano Ronaldo (129 Viewers)

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Nadal, Djokovic and Federer could be rolled by the dices, but i chose Nadal just because he's just 1 shy of the GS record, while also having 2 olympic golds in singles and having done that by having his best results on the clay, which is about 2 months of the year. The domination he has shown on the clay is unmatchable, guy is something like 120-2 in 5 setters on clay, which is ridiclous in such a competitive 1v1 sport as Tennis is. Also, him beating Federer 2008 at Wimbledon still remains to be something that Federer never got done on clay against Nadal. I'd put even Djokovic ahead of Federer by now and Djokovic could become the greatest Tennis player in history, even tho most of the people would not agree with it just because as always, these lists are always fandom based instead of looking at the greater picture and Djokovic as the greatest of all time doesn't sound cool as it is with the Federer/Nadal. Federer is and will always be my favourite player of all time, i own my one-handed backhand to him but it doesn't mean i'll close my eyes to the facts, for example him winning just 5 GS's last decade. It leaves 15 GS's from the first one at 2003 to 2009, and during those times and Nadal being 17-23yr and Djokovic being 16-22yr isn't exactly the prime years of anybody's career, so Federer sneaked up basically atleast 12 GS's or something before those guys even were somewhat in their primes. Federer was still 28 most of 2010 and that is nothing for a guy who still plays at 38 at the very top of the game, but still managed to win just those 5 GS's from 28 ->, which in my opinion is almost pathetic, as harsh it feels to say.

Phelps is a good candidate, but top 5 so tough that it needs to included the most played sports on earth, the world's fastest man and Ali has to be there, so Phelps doesn't make it to top 5, but would make it top 10.

Also, getting back on the Jordan vs Ronaldo and their importance to their teams and so on, i'll remind you about something: it's "easier" to have higher impact on the game/result in a 5v5 game than it's in 11v11 game. It would become the easiest on 1v1, because it's just you and you only, who's responsible for the result. Now saying that Jordan is way ahead of him, is just stupid, because he clearly isn't. If he would be ahead, it would be by the smallest possible gap, but i do think he's behind and it's just because of the sports they're playing and football being the most competitive sport on earth, so being best at it is harder than being best at something else. For example, i could include Karelin on my list as well, i could include Mayweather as well for being undefeated but my main criteria is based on the popularity of the sport around the globe.
It's not necessarily easier because you have less teammates. You also have more responsibility in that scenario. Jordan was scoring champ 10/11 times (led the league in total scoring his rookie year but Bernard King who played some 50 games was ahead in ppg), while he was also all defense 1st team 9/11 times (counting his full seasons with Chicago). How many defensive duties does Ronaldo have, or rather, would you put him in a hypothetical all defense team as your forward year in year out for a decade? Jordan in all his career had one true co star, Pippen, and he made a dynasty out of it.
 

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Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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A football team has 11 players while Basketball has only 5, so I think it's easier to stand out and be tha main man. Also football is infinitely more older, popular and global, so there is a lot more competition for GOATdom.

That being said Jordan is definitely more charismatic than any other team sport player IMO. But I think CR is more competitive and obsessed than him.

PS the Last Dance is a trip :tup:
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
64,719
Nadal, Djokovic and Federer could be rolled by the dices, but i chose Nadal just because he's just 1 shy of the GS record, while also having 2 olympic golds in singles and having done that by having his best results on the clay, which is about 2 months of the year. The domination he has shown on the clay is unmatchable, guy is something like 120-2 in 5 setters on clay, which is ridiclous in such a competitive 1v1 sport as Tennis is. Also, him beating Federer 2008 at Wimbledon still remains to be something that Federer never got done on clay against Nadal. I'd put even Djokovic ahead of Federer by now and Djokovic could become the greatest Tennis player in history, even tho most of the people would not agree with it just because as always, these lists are always fandom based instead of looking at the greater picture and Djokovic as the greatest of all time doesn't sound cool as it is with the Federer/Nadal. Federer is and will always be my favourite player of all time, i own my one-handed backhand to him but it doesn't mean i'll close my eyes to the facts, for example him winning just 5 GS's last decade. It leaves 15 GS's from the first one at 2003 to 2009, and during those times and Nadal being 17-23yr and Djokovic being 16-22yr isn't exactly the prime years of anybody's career, so Federer sneaked up basically atleast 12 GS's or something before those guys even were somewhat in their primes. Federer was still 28 most of 2010 and that is nothing for a guy who still plays at 38 at the very top of the game, but still managed to win just those 5 GS's from 28 ->, which in my opinion is almost pathetic, as harsh it feels to say.

Phelps is a good candidate, but top 5 so tough that it needs to included the most played sports on earth, the world's fastest man and Ali has to be there, so Phelps doesn't make it to top 5, but would make it top 10.

Also, getting back on the Jordan vs Ronaldo and their importance to their teams and so on, i'll remind you about something: it's "easier" to have higher impact on the game/result in a 5v5 game than it's in 11v11 game. It would become the easiest on 1v1, because it's just you and you only, who's responsible for the result. Now saying that Jordan is way ahead of him, is just stupid, because he clearly isn't. If he would be ahead, it would be by the smallest possible gap, but i do think he's behind and it's just because of the sports they're playing and football being the most competitive sport on earth, so being best at it is harder than being best at something else. For example, i could include Karelin on my list as well, i could include Mayweather as well for being undefeated but my main criteria is based on the popularity of the sport around the globe.
Fuck Djokovic.
 
May 25, 2019
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Jordan was great but hardly the GOAT by a country mile. Wilt scored 100 points in a single game, Kareem was dominant on many championship teams, etc. The best match from that period that never happened was Jordan's Bulls vs. Olajuwon's Rockets. I would say that Lebron is at least in Jordan's league. Jordan wasn't the rebounder or passer than Lebron is and wasn't as physically strong either. Magic and Bird were guys that could beat you any which way on the court. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double over an entire season, Shaq was a force of nature like Wilt before him, etc.

IMO Gretzky was more dominant as a hockey player than Jordan was as a basketball player. I haven't watched football as long as I did basketball so I can't compare Jordan to Ronaldo other than they are both clutch and strive to be the best of the best.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
40,177
Tyson Fury would beat the living shit out of Ali to be honest
GTFO. White Boy would get dropped inside 3 rounds.

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Jordan was great but hardly the GOAT by a country mile. Wilt scored 100 points in a single game, Kareem was dominant on many championship teams, etc. The best match from that period that never happened was Jordan's Bulls vs. Olajuwon's Rockets. I would say that Lebron is at least in Jordan's league. Jordan wasn't the rebounder or passer than Lebron is and wasn't as physically strong either. Magic and Bird were guys that could beat you any which way on the court. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double over an entire season, Shaq was a force of nature like Wilt before him, etc.

IMO Gretzky was more dominant as a hockey player than Jordan was as a basketball player. I haven't watched football as long as I did basketball so I can't compare Jordan to Ronaldo other than they are both clutch and strive to be the best of the best.
Jordan is the GOAT, and it's not by a country mile because of Kareem, not Lebron. Lebum has people eating at the table and getting their fill. He's not a natural born winner, and he lacks the hunger and drive of both Jordan and the Late Kobe. Lebron is a better a better rebounder and passer because of his size and physical attributes, but Jordan didn't need to rebound or pass with Rodman and Pippen on the team. Jordan is a far superior scorer to Lebum (who still has an ugly ass jumper and still scores most of his points in the paint through being a flat track bully). Jordan trumps Lebum on offense, defense, and intangibles and it's not close.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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Jordan was great but hardly the GOAT by a country mile. Wilt scored 100 points in a single game, Kareem was dominant on many championship teams, etc. The best match from that period that never happened was Jordan's Bulls vs. Olajuwon's Rockets. I would say that Lebron is at least in Jordan's league. Jordan wasn't the rebounder or passer than Lebron is and wasn't as physically strong either. Magic and Bird were guys that could beat you any which way on the court. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double over an entire season, Shaq was a force of nature like Wilt before him, etc.

IMO Gretzky was more dominant as a hockey player than Jordan was as a basketball player. I haven't watched football as long as I did basketball so I can't compare Jordan to Ronaldo other than they are both clutch and strive to be the best of the best.
Agreed abour Gretzky. He was the most dominant athlete at his sports ever but MJ is undisputed GOAT of basketball, like Federer, Schumacher, CR7, Max Schmeling, Rocco Silfredi and Tom Brady are undisputed GOATs at their sports.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
40,177
A football team has 11 players while Basketball has only 5, so I think it's easier to stand out and be tha main man. Also football is infinitely more older, popular and global, so there is a lot more competition for GOATdom.

That being said Jordan is definitely more charismatic than any other team sport player IMO. But I think CR is more competitive and obsessed than him.

PS the Last Dance is a trip :tup:
:rofl: Really? Of course I expected this biased statement from you. I'm sure if Ronaldo had never signed for us, you'd be spewing some other narrative.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that CR is more competitive and obsessed? Please share your infinite wisdom with the forum.
 
May 25, 2019
459
Agreed abour Gretzky. He was the most dominant athlete at his sports ever but MJ is undisputed GOAT of basketball, like Federer, Schumacher, CR7, Max Schmeling, Rocco Silfredi and Tom Brady are undisputed GOATs at their sports.
Schmeling lost to Joe Louis did he not?

GTFO. White Boy would get dropped inside 3 rounds.

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Jordan is the GOAT, and it's not by a country mile because of Kareem, not Lebron. Lebum has people eating at the table and getting their fill. He's not a natural born winner, and he lacks the hunger and drive of both Jordan and the Late Kobe. Lebron is a better a better rebounder and passer because of his size and physical attributes, but Jordan didn't need to rebound or pass with Rodman and Pippen on the team. Jordan is a far superior scorer to Lebum (who still has an ugly ass jumper and still scores most of his points in the paint through being a flat track bully). Jordan trumps Lebum on offense, defense, and intangibles and it's not close.
Gotta admit that I haven't watched nearly as much b-ball since around the early 00's, I assumed that Lebron had more than 2 30ppg seasons and was surprised to see that MJ averaged 5 assists per game in spite of watching a hell of a lot of him in his prime. Based on that and his clutchness I would tend to agree about Lebron being a tier below MJ. I'm also surprised that Lebron with his size wouldn't average a block a game, his and MJ's blocked shots stats are pretty similar.
 
May 25, 2019
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:rofl: Really? Of course I expected this biased statement from you. I'm sure if Ronaldo had never signed for us, you'd be spewing some other narrative.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that CR is more competitive and obsessed? Please share your infinite wisdom with the forum.
In a sense both reinvented their careers in their early-mid 30's from truly explosive athletes to more cerebral players. Jordan with his speed and jumping ability, Ronaldo with his speed and dribbling. Then later MJ with his fadeaway jumper and Ronaldo adapting his game to be very effective without challenging as many defenders with speed.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
40,177
In a sense both reinvented their careers in their early-mid 30's from truly explosive athletes to more cerebral players. Jordan with his speed and jumping ability, Ronaldo with his speed and dribbling. Then later MJ with his fadeaway jumper and Ronaldo adapting his game to be very effective without challenging as many defenders with speed.
I don't doubt CR7s competitive drive, but I know Elvin when it comes to Juve. If the player plays for us, he allows his subjective bias to trump objectivity. I'm sure there's a case to be made for CR7 being the more competitive and obsessed individual, but I just don't see it.
 
May 25, 2019
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I don't doubt CR7s competitive drive, but I know Elvin when it comes to Juve. If the player plays for us, he allows his subjective bias to trump objectivity. I'm sure there's a case to be made for CR7 being the more competitive and obsessed individual, but I just don't see it.
I would honestly say that they'd be comparative. Most of the greatest athletes in the world are very driven, what makes basketball different is that there are only 5 players on the court per side so 1 elite player can make a huge difference. In other team sports there will either be more players or in the case of hockey the players don't play full games other than the goalies. In terms of a will to win a guy like Mark Messier was up there, except he'd elbow guys and do whatever it takes but he was never at the top of the hockey world. MJ and CR7 are special cases of being the best while also having the drive to be the best at all costs. Either guy probably sells his soul to the devil if it would take him over the top.
 

Powis

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Dec 9, 2009
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A football team has 11 players while Basketball has only 5, so I think it's easier to stand out and be tha main man. Also football is infinitely more older, popular and global, so there is a lot more competition for GOATdom.

That being said Jordan is definitely more charismatic than any other team sport player IMO. But I think CR is more competitive and obsessed than him.

PS the Last Dance is a trip :tup:
Respectfully disagree on that part.

MJ is as competitive as they come. To see him do something all they had to say he can't do something. That man shot FTs with his eyes closed, without any mercy destroyed people who dared to say something negative about him, he read articles in the press and reacted to the bad ones and tried to prove them wrong. He always succeeded in proving people wrong. Just like he said in the new doc, he took offense that they compared him to Drexler. That season they were also highlighting that MJ shot worse than him from deep, so in the finals 1st game he made 6 threes and made the famous shrug by saying "what did you all say?".

You can keep going and going about these crazy stories about his competitiveness. Sometimes you think they're countless. To this day, people are still talking that his gambling was the reason his dad got killed.

He was one big ruthless motherfucker. I can still watch his highlights for hours. His freaking fadeaway was as smooth as water flowing down a steam. Elegant, yet full of swagger. Best ever to play the game.
 
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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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A football team has 11 players while Basketball has only 5, so I think it's easier to stand out and be tha main man. Also football is infinitely more older, popular and global, so there is a lot more competition for GOATdom.

That being said Jordan is definitely more charismatic than any other team sport player IMO. But I think CR is more competitive and obsessed than him.

PS the Last Dance is a trip :tup:
Basketball is also physically more demanding than football and you need to make decisions much quicker. In general basketball players are more intelligent bunch than football players. Imo based on what Ive seen over the years and I trained both, basketball for 6 years, football for 2.
 

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