Cristiano Ronaldo (118 Viewers)

[Nedved96]

Not an ounce of doubt in my mind that we win both 2015 & 2017 with CR.

There plenty of doubt in my mind.

Ronaldo won the threepeat when supported by a GOAT tier midfield of Modric, Kroos, Casemiro and Isco.

Winning a CL with Pjanic and Khedira is a lot more difficult.

 

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[zizinho]

There plenty of doubt in my mind.

Ronaldo won the threepeat when supported by a GOAT tier midfield of Modric, Kroos, Casemiro and Isco.

Winning a CL with Pjanic and Khedira is a lot more difficult.

So do you think Bale scores those 2 goals Ronaldo did vs us instead? Or you think Ronaldo doesn't do more than the one 'assist' Higgy provided for Mandzu? If Ronaldo played on the other side that day, we would have won

 

[Nedved96]

So do you think Bale scores those 2 goals Ronaldo did vs us instead? Or you think Ronaldo doesn't do more than the one 'assist' Higgy provided for Mandzu? If Ronaldo played on the other side that day, we would have won

We would have never gotten Ronaldo in a serious position to score anyway. Correct me if I’m wrong, but nobody out of Higuain, Dybala or Mandzukic received a single clear-cut chance in that final. Mandzukic’s goal came out of nowhere.

The midfield is the key to any game of football, and they would have won.

I also don’t see a problem with suggesting that Bale would have scored those goals. Did Bale not score the winning goal in 2014 and 2018? Bale has scored as many non-penalty goals in CL finals as Ronaldo has.

 

[Elvin]

You dont get it, if we had Ronaldo, they would be the ones scared shitless instead of us.
Bonucci and Chiellini shat their pants before the game even started.

 

[zizinho]

We would have never gotten Ronaldo in a serious position to score anyway. Correct me if I’m wrong, but nobody out of Higuain, Dybala or Mandzukic received a single clear-cut chance in that final. Mandzukic’s goal came out of nowhere.

The midfield is the key to any game of football, and they would have won.

I also don’t see a problem with suggesting that Bale would have scored those goals. Did Bale not score the winning goal in 2014 and 2018? Bale has scored as many non-penalty goals in CL finals as Ronaldo has.

Watch the goals and tell me Bale would have scored them? Maybe he scores some but not those goals. Bale was a great player but not on that level. Neither quality wise nor consistency wise.

Also, you simply count our chances and think to yourself what would be different if Ronaldo was there instead, which is stupid kinda, sorry to say so. The whole game, our approach, their approach, everything changes if Ronaldo was on our side. We become more of a threat on counters, preventing them to stay so high at times. We become better with transitioning the ball forward, taking some burden off Dybala and Cuads. We now have 2 threats in the box for Dani and Cuads to cross to. We are more dangerous on set pieces. We replace a player that disappears/is easily shut down on the highest stage with one that always rises to the occasion. So simply, everything changed and not for the worse to us. And you should stop with your Ronaldo agenda once and for all. If someone said something similar about Messi, that if we swap Morata for Messi in the 2015 final nothing would change, because Morata scored more in those KOs and even scored in the final, you'd be the 1st to laugh. But since it's about Ronaldo you try to diminish it.

 

[Arcticdaly]

Watch the goals and tell me Bale would have scored them? Maybe he scores some but not those goals. Bale was a great player but not on that level. Neither quality wise nor consistency wise.

Also, you simply count our chances and think to yourself what would be different if Ronaldo was there instead, which is stupid kinda, sorry to say so. The whole game, our approach, their approach, everything changes if Ronaldo was on our side. We become more of a threat on counters, preventing them to stay so high at times. We become better with transitioning the ball forward, taking some burden off Dybala and Cuads. We now have 2 threats in the box for Dani and Cuads to cross to. We are more dangerous on set pieces. We replace a player that disappears/is easily shut down on the highest stage with one that always rises to the occasion. So simply, everything changed and not for the worse to us. And you should stop with your Ronaldo agenda once and for all. If someone said something similar about Messi, that if we swap Morata for Messi in the 2015 final nothing would change, because Morata scored more in those KOs and even scored in the final, you'd be the 1st to laugh. But since it's about Ronaldo you try to diminish it.

He's Ronaldo agenda has been clear for years he even said that Modric was the main reason that Madrid won the 3 CLs and Ronaldo was just part of the team at one point before he joined here.

If you dont like the guy fine but to insult and disrespect what he done in he's career and down play how amazing he is as as player and to make out like he wasn't the most important player in those CL wins while being the top scorer with record number of goals etc. is pathetic really.

 

[Nedved96]

Watch the goals and tell me Bale would have scored them? Maybe he scores some but not those goals.

Did you see the goal that Bale scored in the 2018 final? That was far more difficult to execute than either goal CR7 scored against us.

He's Ronaldo agenda has been clear for years he even said that Modric was the main reason that Madrid won the 3 CLs and Ronaldo was just part of the team at one point before he joined here

There was no main reason to why Madrid won the threepeat. That team was a well-oiled machine, and yes Ronaldo was just part of that team, just like Modric was.

Let me ask you a few questions:

What did Ronaldo do in the 2016 and 2018 finals?
How far has Ronaldo reached in the CL since he joined us?

The truth is that if Ronaldo had to play in a CL final with Pjanic and Khedira in a midfield duo, he would be marked out of the game just like he was in 2016 and 2018. The only difference is that Juve don't have players like Benzema, Bale, Ramos, Modric, etc... to step up when Ronaldo is not having a great game.

At the end of the day, it was a team effort. That Real Madrid team had world class players in every position, and they all hit their prime around the same time. That was the perfect set of circumstances. The fact that Ronaldo hasn't come even close to replicating that at Juve should tell you enough.

 

[Elvin]

Did you see the goal that Bale scored in the 2018 final? That was far more difficult to execute than either goal CR7 scored against us.


There was no main reason to why Madrid won the threepeat. That team was a well-oiled machine, and yes Ronaldo was just part of that team, just like Modric was.

Let me ask you a few questions:

What did Ronaldo do in the 2016 and 2018 finals?
How far has Ronaldo reached in the CL since he joined us?

The truth is that if Ronaldo had to play in a CL final with Pjanic and Khedira in a midfield duo, he would be marked out of the game just like he was in 2016 and 2018. The only difference is that Juve don't have players like Benzema, Bale, Ramos, Modric, etc... to step up when Ronaldo is not having a great game.

At the end of the day, it was a team effort. That Real Madrid team had world class players in every position, and they all hit their prime around the same time. That was the perfect set of circumstances. The fact that Ronaldo hasn't come even close to replicating that at Juve should tell you enough.

Claiming that Real team (or any team for that matter) would win the treble without the GOAT is riduculous sorry. I dont care how world class that team was, they aint winning 4 CLs in 5 years without prime Ronaldo, no matter how he did in the finals.

 

[Nedved96]

Claiming that Real team (or any team for that matter) would win the treble without the GOAT is riduculous sorry. I dont care how world class that team was, they aint winning 4 CLs in 5 years without prime Ronaldo, no matter how he did in the finals.

That's now what I said, read again.

What I said was that even if we had CR7 in the 2017 final and Madrid don't have him (but start Bale instead), we probably still lose that final.

The difference in quality in the midfield was too large to overcome.

 

[Arcticdaly]

Did you see the goal that Bale scored in the 2018 final? That was far more difficult to execute than either goal CR7 scored against us.


There was no main reason to why Madrid won the threepeat. That team was a well-oiled machine, and yes Ronaldo was just part of that team, just like Modric was.

Let me ask you a few questions:

What did Ronaldo do in the 2016 and 2018 finals?
How far has Ronaldo reached in the CL since he joined us?

The truth is that if Ronaldo had to play in a CL final with Pjanic and Khedira in a midfield duo, he would be marked out of the game just like he was in 2016 and 2018. The only difference is that Juve don't have players like Benzema, Bale, Ramos, Modric, etc... to step up when Ronaldo is not having a great game.

At the end of the day, it was a team effort. That Real Madrid team had world class players in every position, and they all hit their prime around the same time. That was the perfect set of circumstances. The fact that Ronaldo hasn't come even close to replicating that at Juve should tell you enough.

This GOAT tier midfield your talking about got domintated and out controlled in alot of those CL games and it was ronaldo that pulled them over the line in certain games, there good but there no Xavi/Iniesta combo.
That run and finish that ronaldo made for the second goal bale would never make its the type of smart movement thats made him be the highest scorer.

Your just under playing Ronaldo at everything and making it sound like its so easy to do. Bale has 15 career CL goals,12 with madrid and 90 percent of them are in the group stage vs crap aswell. Sure he scored in two finals but he's goal record other than the finals is really shit.

I dont even why im wasting my time arguing with someone thats putting Bale on the same level as Ronaldo because he scored a bicycle kick vs a concussed karius.

Let me ask you a question then when Messi was winning all those CLs with Xavi and the MSN etc. was he just another guy part of the team and the midfield carried him ?

 

[il brutto]

If you put him onto our team instead of say, Tevez, do we win one of the finals?

Not sure as imo Tevez in 2014/15 was better than anything we've seen from Ronaldo at Juve

 

[Xperd]

Not sure as imo Tevez in 2014/15 was better than anything we've seen from Ronaldo at Juve

Better than anything we've seen from a Juventus forward in the last 10-15 years.

 

[zizinho]

Did you see the goal that Bale scored in the 2018 final? That was far more difficult to execute than either goal CR7 scored against us.


There was no main reason to why Madrid won the threepeat. That team was a well-oiled machine, and yes Ronaldo was just part of that team, just like Modric was.

Let me ask you a few questions:

What did Ronaldo do in the 2016 and 2018 finals?
How far has Ronaldo reached in the CL since he joined us?

The truth is that if Ronaldo had to play in a CL final with Pjanic and Khedira in a midfield duo, he would be marked out of the game just like he was in 2016 and 2018. The only difference is that Juve don't have players like Benzema, Bale, Ramos, Modric, etc... to step up when Ronaldo is not having a great game.

At the end of the day, it was a team effort. That Real Madrid team had world class players in every position, and they all hit their prime around the same time. That was the perfect set of circumstances. The fact that Ronaldo hasn't come even close to replicating that at Juve should tell you enough.

Ugh

Watch the goals and put Bale instead of Ronaldo, and tell me with a straight face he scores both times. Or even once

 

[Nedved96]

Watch the goals and put Bale instead of Ronaldo, and tell me with a straight face he scores both times. Or even once

It doesn't matter because the entire game would have gone differently from the first minute.

Just because Bale wouldn't score the exact same goals Ronaldo did, does not mean that Bale wouldn't score any goals. He scored in 2014 and 2018, so why not 2017?

Let me ask you a question then when the Messi was winning all those CLs with Xavi and the MSN etc. was he just another guy part of the team and the midfield carried him ?

Look at Messi's Champions League record in the last few years, that should answer your question.

Champions Leagues are won and lost as teams, not by individuals.

Ronaldo and Messi have fantastic PR teams that have convinced an entire legion of fans that they "carried" Real Madrid or Barcelona to glory, but the reality is a lot more complicated than that.

Ronaldo fans have found that out the hard way at Juve.

 

[Juliano13]

Ugh

Watch the goals and put Bale instead of Ronaldo, and tell me with a straight face he scores both times. Or even once

Retarded logic and you know better than that.

 

[Arcticdaly]

It doesn't matter because the entire game would have gone differently from the first minute.

Just because Bale wouldn't score the exact same goals Ronaldo did, does not mean that Bale wouldn't score any goals. He scored in 2014 and 2018, so why not 2017?


Look at Messi's Champions League record in the last few years, that should answer your question.

Champions Leagues are won and lost as teams, not by individuals.

Ronaldo and Messi have fantastic PR teams that have convinced an entire legion of fans that they "carried" Real Madrid or Barcelona to glory, but the reality is a lot more complicated than that.

Ronaldo fans have found that out the hard way at Juve.

Ronaldo was performing pretty well in that first year with juve without modric and co. with hatrick against atletico madrid and goals home and away vs ajax. We went out due injurys and having to play that Rugani turd at the back.

No one is suggesting that Ronaldo and Messi solo won there teams all CLs but the problem is your suggesting that swapping Ronaldo on to Juves team would have made no difference because he didnt have modric to carry him and that bale would have the same impact as him which is frankly just mental and stupid.

This is type of shit you give out about posters disrespecting Dybala with and yet you do this in here all the time in here with Ronaldo.

 

[zizinho]

Retarded logic and you know better than that.

Its what Neddy talks about, i just spin it back to him. Hes the one that looks at our and their chances and goals, and makes conclusions based on that, so i just use it against him instead of going to lengthy useless arguments. Check my post on previous page to see what i think

 

[BayernFan]

He's Ronaldo agenda has been clear for years he even said that Modric was the main reason that Madrid won the 3 CLs and Ronaldo was just part of the team at one point before he joined here.

If you dont like the guy fine but to insult and disrespect what he done in he's career and down play how amazing he is as as player and to make out like he wasn't the most important player in those CL wins while being the top scorer with record number of goals etc. is pathetic really.

Ramos was the most important player for Real Madrid imo, at least in the first two wins (2014 and 2016). Scored some clutch goals, like the ones against Bayern in 2014, the final in 2014 and also the 2016 final.

Ronaldo was nowhere to be seen in the 2014 final, same with the 2016 final - doesn't mean I don't think he had amazing campaigns, but the biggest reason Real won those two first trophies was because of Ramos being clutch as hell when they needed it the most.

 

[zizinho]

It doesn't matter because the entire game would have gone differently from the first minute.

Just because Bale wouldn't score the exact same goals Ronaldo did, does not mean that Bale wouldn't score any goals. He scored in 2014 and 2018, so why not 2017?


Look at Messi's Champions League record in the last few years, that should answer your question.

Champions Leagues are won and lost as teams, not by individuals.

Ronaldo and Messi have fantastic PR teams that have convinced an entire legion of fans that they "carried" Real Madrid or Barcelona to glory, but the reality is a lot more complicated than that.

Ronaldo fans have found that out the hard way at Juve.

Finally you get it, and its the same on the other side, so why bring up this stupid argument in the 1st place. Ronaldo was the difference that day, had he been on the opposite side it would have been different

Because Bale doesent have the quality or consistency of Ronaldo to produce top level performandes regularly. Ronaldo is the best player of this competition ever, you here pretend like replacing him with friggin Bale would make no difference. Mandzu also scored in 2 finals, i guess Madrid would have the same level of success? Stop with that stupid logic please

 

[Juliano13]

Ramos was the most important player for Real Madrid imo, at least in the first two wins (2014 and 2016). Scored some clutch goals, like the ones against Bayern in 2014, the final in 2014 and also the 2016 final.

Ronaldo was nowhere to be seen in the 2014 final, same with the 2016 final - doesn't mean I don't think he had amazing campaigns, but the biggest reason Real won those two first trophies was because of Ramos being clutch as hell when they needed it the most.

There is one thing about Ronaldo that nobody can deny. He has the GOAT PR. He had millions of fanboys convinced he almost singlehandedly won all those games and titles. Even the ones he didn't play in, like the Euro final.

Even our retarded management got convinced that buying him was like buying the CL trophy itself.

A real testament to the power of his PR machine is that even after the shitshow that this Juve team has been all year, some poor suckers still believe he could bring us the trophy next year.