Cristiano Ronaldo (129 Viewers)

[delpiero1986]

Typical weak mentaly Juve player. Scores a bunch of goals against teams like cagliari, crotone, la spezia..... but when it counts, he doesn‘t deliver!

 

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[Dostoevsky]

Hence I'm saying it was the worst moment for him being off. Maybe he just lacked believe/was tired.

But I still believe Juve were better before him - better as a team that was. Before Ronaldo Juve challenged for the CL and reached two finals, winning a lot of doubles - with Ronaldo they didn't go further than a QF. No Ronaldo is not the biggest one to blame here, certainly not.

As you said he scored pretty much all the KO goals for Juve, but like I said, the team regressed under Ronaldo. Not just because of bad coaches but also because everyone try to service him.

Before he came Juve were a functioning unit, they haven't been that for close to two years now.

I also think Juve were much better to watch/played better 4-5 years ago. It seems everything has to go through Ronaldo now.

I don't know if I can agree with that.

We surely were better but judging a Juve based on this season is a really bad thing. I don't think it can be that simple, it's not black or white, as there are too many factors. The biggest issue is not servicing Ronaldo but it was a domino effect (imo) that started off when we sold our amazing midfield and failed to replace them. Then, again, a whole bunch of factors where main issue was spending so much money on Higuain. After that it kept falling aparat and our mercato became worst and worse. We signed too many shitty players. I wish we had Ronaldo in a team where we had Vidal, Pogba, Marchisio and others. Totally different story. Nail in the coffin, at least for last two seasons, was two horrible coaches.

Do I think we'd play better if we had Ronaldo injured at the moment? My guess is that we would end up 7th at the very best. Our team is average. It's like Argentina choking despite them having Messi.

 

[james95]

 

[BayernFan]

No one else not even messi gets judged with that silly standard that he must turn up in every single knockout game or tie or he sucks and not worth the time. Even lewa last year when you won the CL so many of he goals came at the end of trashing like the 6th or 7 th goal in 80 mins he played well both hardly scored all important goals for you.

I mean barely any of that team that reached those finals are here its compleletly different team under a coach that never even managed a sunday league game before and Ronaldo is only behind lewa in goals this year at 36 with alot less games than those other attackers and he getting called a burden or flop its ridiculous.

I'm certainly not calling Ronaldo a flop, that would be insane. He's anything but a flup, the numbers speak for themselves.

But I believe he's not a good fit as things stand - burden is maybe a harsh word. Anyway, that's just my personal opinion and we can disagree about that. If he had came a few years before he did things might have looked completely different.

 

[FlavioJuve]

Again reducing his impact to a single game, while neglecting what he has contributed week in week out. Or that he had scored all of our knockout goals in previous 2 CL editions, vs Atletico, Ajax, Lyon. Fortunately our goals aline, if Ronaldo scores we are closer to winning games. Him being obsessed with scoring isnt detrimental to our cause. We need the rest of the team to get to his level, or thereabout, or at least to have a functional midfield that can spot his runs, get out of press, to have realistic shot at CL.

CR has been invisible more than once, so not just last Wednesday. And not just this season. But that’s OK, that happens to all players, even world class players.
My comments are about the whole period of his stay here and are off course accumulated after last Wednesday.
His stats are not telling the team’s story. And if we want to progress our team play in the long run (and therefore performance in CL) we should part ways with CR. Only that way we can rebuild a team that had a shot at CL in maybe 2, 3 or 4 years from now.
Also, now we might be able to actually properly sell him

 

[BayernFan]

I don't know if I can agree with that.

We surely were better but judging a Juve based on this season is a really bad thing. I don't think it can be that simple, it's not black or white, as there are too many factors. The biggest issue is not servicing Ronaldo but it was a domino effect (imo) that started off when we sold our amazing midfield and failed to replace them. Then, again, a whole bunch of factors where main issue was spending so much money on Higuain. After that it kept falling aparat and our mercato became worst and worse. We signed too many shitty players. I wish we had Ronaldo in a team where we had Vidal, Pogba, Marchisio and others. Totally different story. Nail in the coffin, at least for last two seasons, was two horrible coaches.

Do I think we'd play better if we had Ronaldo injured at the moment? My guess is that we would end up 7th at the very best. Our team is average. It's like Argentina choking despite them having Messi.

Lets say you could go back to the summer 2018. You have the choice to spend the money used for Ronaldo on at least 2 great additions to the squad instead of him. What do you choose?

I know it's not easy to answer it like that, but lets try to play with the knowledge of hindsight.

 

[suligodsilla]

CR has been invisible more than once, so not just last Wednesday. And not just this season. But that’s OK, that happens to all players, even world class players.
My comments are about the whole period of his stay here and are off course accumulated after last Wednesday.
His stats are not telling the team’s story. And if we want to progress our team play in the long run (and therefore performance in CL) we should part ways with CR. Only that way we can rebuild a team that had a shot at CL in maybe 2, 3 or 4 years from now.
Also, now we might be able to actually properly sell him

We need to win next year. With Cristiano it should be possible

 

[Juliano13]

People saying he makes teams worse, like RM started playing better etc. Let's remember couple of things:

1. RM won CL with with him after so many years and the last CL they've won, is with him.
2. Last time Man Utd was anything relevant was when Ronaldo played there. Their last CL win is with him.
3. Portugal's only NT win is with him.

Now, may i ask how he makes his teams worse? He just happened to come here after we sold our middlefield and our core got older. This isn't one man show, but if someone actually dares to claim that someone actually plays better without him, show me the proof. All those teams he played for went to the absolute top, got to the pinnacle of the sport which hasn't been really repeated since, and in some cases before him(i.e Portugal).

Won everywhere he went to and still winning it in here.

2.Not that I think Real are better without him but Manure reached the CL and won the Premiership in 2011. That's somewhat relevant.
3. Ronaldo contributed close to nothing to the Portugal win. He didn't even play most of the final (obviously that didn't stop him from prancing along the touchline for some camera time). What won them the title was good teamwork and defensive solodity. Exactly what we lost in the last couple of years.

 

[Vlad]

U dont even have to go that far. How much did inter spend on Barella last summer? Milan loaned Tonalli.... if u want to go way back, dont spend 90m on Higuain or 40m on Berna.

 

[BayernFan]

We need to win next year. With Cristiano it should be possible

What should suddenly change from now to next year in that regard? Just curious

 

[Arcticdaly]

2.Not that I think Real are better without him but Manure reached the CL and won the Premiership in 2011. That's somewhat relevant.
3. Ronaldo contributed close to nothing to the Portugal win. He didn't even play most of the final (obviously that didn't stop him from prancing along the touchline for some camera time). What won them the title was good teamwork and defensive solodity. Exactly what we lost in the last couple of years.

Contributed nothing in euros apart from you know being the match winner of the semi final with great header and other important goals or assists along the way as the captain but hey he didnt get the play the final so he sucked and didnt contribute

 

[suligodsilla]

What should suddenly change from now to next year in that regard? Just curious

A big good summer signing for the midfield and a fit Dybala should do it

 

[Pegi]

Lets say you could go back to the summer 2018. You have the choice to spend the money used for Ronaldo on at least 2 great additions to the squad instead of him. What do you choose?

I know it's not easy to answer it like that, but lets try to play with the knowledge of hindsight.

The fuck you complain about Ronaldo's signing, but not mentioning anything about Higuain? We spent big on el pipita as well. Well to answer on your question, we could sign Kulusevski and Arthur for example, but would have they guaranteed success? Or would any type of signing guarantee success? Atleast we bought almost goal per game with that 100m and i think it's quite fair deal nowdays.

 

[james95]

Lets say you could go back to the summer 2018. You have the choice to spend the money used for Ronaldo on at least 2 great additions to the squad instead of him. What do you choose?

I know it's not easy to answer it like that, but lets try to play with the knowledge of hindsight.

Depends on who those great 'additions' are. There are less than a handful of players that can guarantee you a goal a game like he does. Even less that are ever-present and never injured like he is. His consistency is virtually unmatched. There's no guarantee whoever those additions could've been would've won Juve the CL either.

 

[BayernFan]

A big good summer signing for the midfield and a fit Dybala should do it

But how do you sign this midfielder when clubs all over the world have issues financially? Not saying it's not possible but a lot of moneys that could be spend on transfers are going to Ronaldo's salary.

 

[kappa96]

2.Not that I think Real are better without him but Manure reached the CL and won the Premiership in 2011. That's somewhat relevant.
3. Ronaldo contributed close to nothing to the Portugal win. He didn't even play most of the final (obviously that didn't stop him from prancing along the touchline for some camera time). What won them the title was good teamwork and defensive solodity. Exactly what we lost in the last couple of years.

3. Lol , portugal wouldn't even have advanced out of the group stage if it wasn't for his 2 goals against hungary in that 3-3 game.

 

[BayernFan]

The fuck you complain about Ronaldo's signing, but not mentioning anything about Higuain? We spent big on el pipita as well. Well to answer on your question, we could sign Kulusevski and Arthur for example, but would have they guaranteed success? Or would any type of signing guarantee success? Atleast we bought almost goal per game with that 100m and i think it's quite fair deal nowdays.

Yeah the Higuain deal was not good looking back. I forgot about him, but it's true what you said.

 

[Vlad]

CR has been invisible more than once, so not just last Wednesday. And not just this season. But that’s OK, that happens to all players, even world class players.
My comments are about the whole period of his stay here and are off course accumulated after last Wednesday.
His stats are not telling the team’s story. And if we want to progress our team play in the long run (and therefore performance in CL) we should part ways with CR. Only that way we can rebuild a team that had a shot at CL in maybe 2, 3 or 4 years from now.
Also, now we might be able to actually properly sell him

You do realize that without Ronaldo this team loses a +30 goals per season player? We would need to sign several great players to offset this if we would be looking to spread goals around. Which is no guarantee. So maybe add few good additions to our midfield, part ways with Ramsey and Rabiot, instead of destroying well functioning part of the team.

 

[BayernFan]

Depends on who those great 'additions' are. There are less than a handful of players that can guarantee you a goal a game like he does. Even less that are ever-present and never injured like he is. His consistency is virtually unmatched. There's no guarantee whoever those additions could've been would've won Juve the CL either.

I'm also not saying it would've won Juve the CL if they didn't buy Ronaldo/bought other players. Like I already said, you can't really plan to win the CL.

 

[Juliano13]

Contributed nothing in euros apart from you know being the match winner of the semi final with great header and other important goals or assists along the way as the captain but hey he didnt get the play the final so he sucked and didnt contribute

I said close to nothing. I am not sure what you mean by "match winner" but he scored one of the two goals in the semi-final. He also scored 2 important goals against Hungary. That's it, nothing in the other 5 games. And yes, considering everything that's close to nothing.