Cristiano Ronaldo (125 Viewers)

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But how do you sign this midfielder when clubs all over the world have issues financially? Not saying it's not possible but a lot of moneys that could be spend on transfers are going to Ronaldo's salary.
Agnelli is running the club well in regard to the financial situation, i think there is enough money for a good investment
 

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Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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2.Not that I think Real are better without him but Manure reached the CL and won the Premiership in 2011. That's somewhat relevant.
3. Ronaldo contributed close to nothing to the Portugal win. He didn't even play most of the final (obviously that didn't stop him from prancing along the touchline for some camera time). What won them the title was good teamwork and defensive solodity. Exactly what we lost in the last couple of years.
Those teams got +100m from him when he left, so i'd expect them winning something after his gone. If they did, good for them but Man Utd one PL win in what like 12 years since he left isn't exactly something great.

Man you sound so bitter about Portugal's NT win, does it still hurt? Do you need a shoulder? If i remember correctly, Ronaldo was essential during their run to EURO16. He's the captain, he was their top scorer and didn't he win silver boot after Griezmann? Another thing to remember what's the history of Portugal before Ronaldo. I just went to Wikipedia and their biggest achievement was 1966 3rd place on World Cup. What to say about those times, Eusebio played during that time so it kind of explains something to you as well. After that, they failed to qualify 7 times out of 8 to the World Cup, but right after Ronaldo's arrival they haven't failed to qualify for once. Then same thing for Euro's, and the 4 Euro's Ronaldo has been part of, they have been in the top4 3 times, twice on a final and one victory. On the way, he has scored +100 NT goals for them so i kind of starting to believe he hasn't mattered in their history of football at all.
 

ronaldo99

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Jun 27, 2020
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Without Ronaldo Portugal wouldn't have passed against Croatia, Wales (assisted and scored respectively).
Against Poland he gave a speech that motivated his teammates during the penalty shootout. Moutinho can attest to that.

Are you really trying to say that a player with 60+% g/a contribution to a tournament win is dispensable???
Some of you are truly blinded by your hate. Haters are something else...

Another thing, 52 goals in the last 50 serie A games. Now STFU
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Lets say you could go back to the summer 2018. You have the choice to spend the money used for Ronaldo on at least 2 great additions to the squad instead of him. What do you choose?

I know it's not easy to answer it like that, but lets try to play with the knowledge of hindsight.
It's very easy for me. Very easy. And the answer is: absolutely yes.

Not only Ronaldo did absolutely amazing here but we managed to sign Cristiano fucking Ronaldo. It was a huge thing for this club, to show fans and the whole world that this is actually a big club. Not to mention how much marketing money was made and how many fans (I don't care if they are "fans") made with that move. I'm also sure signing Ronaldo did us a huge favour when we managed to bring De Ligt here since young talents will always follow stars.

If I could go back in time I would:

- spend money elsewhere and not on Higuain
- don't fuck up midfield like we did after selling Vidal for peanuts
- avoid signing Bernardeschi, Arthur, Ramsey, Bentancur Rabiot and by the looks of it even Kulu and plenty of others
-avoid signing Bonucci for the second time

It was where we fucked up badly. Not by signing possible the best player ever, or best player of the generation.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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Those teams got +100m from him when he left, so i'd expect them winning something after his gone. If they did, good for them but Man Utd one PL win in what like 12 years since he left isn't exactly something great.

Man you sound so bitter about Portugal's NT win, does it still hurt? Do you need a shoulder? If i remember correctly, Ronaldo was essential during their run to EURO16. He's the captain, he was their top scorer and didn't he win silver boot after Griezmann? Another thing to remember what's the history of Portugal before Ronaldo. I just went to Wikipedia and their biggest achievement was 1966 3rd place on World Cup. What to say about those times, Eusebio played during that time so it kind of explains something to you as well. After that, they failed to qualify 7 times out of 8 to the World Cup, but right after Ronaldo's arrival they haven't failed to qualify for once. Then same thing for Euro's, and the 4 Euro's Ronaldo has been part of, they have been in the top4 3 times, twice on a final and one victory. On the way, he has scored +100 NT goals for them so i kind of starting to believe he hasn't mattered in their history of football at all.
Do you stop to read what you've written before you post? What does all that have to do with what I wrote?
And Portugal had a great team in 2000 that came very close to reaching the final. Check wikipedia if you weren't old enough to watch back then.
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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Do you stop to read what you've written before you post? What does all that have to do with what I wrote?
And Portugal had a great team in 2000 that came very close to reaching the final. Check wikipedia if you weren't old enough to watch back then.
Yes, it was the golden generation and 2000 was before Ronaldo. Now after that golden generation was gone, it was a big slump for them and Ronaldo had to carry that team in front, while being captain. All those times of being equal to mighty Finland and having 1p to seperate Finland making their first Euro/World cup appeareance. What was the another time facing sweden for elimination game, Zlatan vs Ronaldo and they scored all the goals for their teams, Ronaldo 4 and Zlatan 2 etc. Big time struggeling, but they always made it with Ronaldo and after that golden generation left the empty ruins for him to lead forward.

Still, the fact is that the golden generation never won it, neither made it to final without Ronaldo but with him, they made it to final, which later Ronaldo won with the other guys.
 

IlCapitano

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Dec 16, 2012
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He is a burden because we are broke and he costs 60m per year.
He is not a burden even with a 200m salary because:

1. We have players who barely played all season or are utter shite earning well north of a 100m. Ronaldo earns his wages on and off the pitch, they don't, thus he is not a burden
2. We changed 90% of the team that was here when he signed which shows we aren't quite as broke

He quite obviously didn't stop us from spending since signing him so don't know why you keep repeating this factually incorrect statement.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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He is not a burden with 200m salary because:

1. We have players who barely played all season or are utter shite earning well north of a 100m. Ronaldo earns his wages on and off the pitch, they don't, thus he is not a burden
2. We changed 90% of the team that was here when he signed which shows we aren't quite as broke

He quite obviously didn't stop us from spending since signing him so don't know why you keep repeating this factually incorrect statement.
Because its the only argument "they" have. You cant criticize him for lack of goals or his impact on the pitch so you need to focus on something else. But as it has been pointed out, that theory doesnt hold ground considering how much money current mgt has spend on fringe players and will most likely keep spending.
 

FlavioJuve

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Jun 6, 2007
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You do realize that without Ronaldo this team loses a +30 goals per season player? We would need to sign several great players to offset this if we would be looking to spread goals around. Which is no guarantee. So maybe add few good additions to our midfield, part ways with Ramsey and Rabiot, instead of destroying well functioning part of the team.
Dybala scored 26 the season before CR arrived. So if he gets to be played in a role that is optimal for him, we would only need to distribute 4+ goals among other players.
I say part way with all players that do not provide us good long term perspective, just like CR
 

IlCapitano

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Dec 16, 2012
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Hence I'm saying it was the worst moment for him being off. Maybe he just lacked believe/was tired.

But I still believe Juve were better before him - better as a team that was. Before Ronaldo Juve challenged for the CL and reached two finals, winning a lot of doubles - with Ronaldo they didn't go further than a QF. No Ronaldo is not the biggest one to blame here, certainly not.

As you said he scored pretty much all the KO goals for Juve, but like I said, the team regressed under Ronaldo. Not just because of bad coaches but also because everyone try to service him.

Before he came Juve were a functioning unit, they haven't been that for close to two years now.

I also think Juve were much better to watch/played better 4-5 years ago. It seems everything has to go through Ronaldo now.
We were better before him, yes. However that doesn't mean we are worse now because of him, which clearly isn't the case.

1. BBC and Buffon were younger and MUCH better.
2. We had a WC midfield before him. Even Pjanić-Khedira in 16/17 maybe not WC on paper but they played like that the entire season and they were healthy.
3. We had a WC coach that wasn't being witch-hunted after every game and was left alone to do his job

Oh and yeah we had Licht and Evra/Sandro who were great FBs compared to the corpse of Sandro now and nothing on the right.
 

ronaldo99

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Jun 27, 2020
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Dybala scored 26 the season before CR arrived. So if he gets to be played in a role the us optimal for him, we would only need to distribute 4+ goals among other players.
I say part way with all players that do not provide us good long term perspective, just like CR
I want you to keep that same energy once CR gets close to your boy's goal tally record. We'll see how the 'decline' holds up.
He has been declining for how many years now? 6?
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Dybala scored 26 the season before CR arrived. So if he gets to be played in a role the us optimal for him, we would only need to distribute 4+ goals among other players.
I say part way with all players that do not provide us good long term perspective, just like CR
Dybala is a good player but not someone we should build our team around. He lacks drive, focus, determination, etc...Bar our game vs Barca he failed to provide consistently in CL, which I believe is major point of dispute. Invisible in final game, expelled in QF a season after, etc.. The choice between him and possibly the greatest or one of the greatest players of all time is an easy one.
 

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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This.

This is exactly what I meant above when I wrote about him. We need THIS mentality and I don't see it in our players.

Buffon and Chiellini have it on the pitch. Now with them gone it's only Ronaldo and Chiesa. McDonalds, Berna, Rabiot and others look like have filled their diapers.
Exactly. Not related but could you imagine the clubs president having a say in this moment in time and being this confident about our future? Not a peep from him
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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Dybala scored 26 the season before CR arrived. So if he gets to be played in a role that is optimal for him, we would only need to distribute 4+ goals among other players.
I say part way with all players that do not provide us good long term perspective, just like CR
How is Dybala going to score those 26 goals from the hospital bed? Do you realize he's relevant as Ramsey doing the water running.

People are basing their words on too many if's. Ronaldo isn't if, he's a guaranteed goalscorer that's never injuried. He will show up on the training, he doesn't eat pizza and look chubby. He's a professional.
 

Arcticdaly

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Oct 3, 2018
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Dybala scored 26 the season before CR arrived. So if he gets to be played in a role the us optimal for him, we would only need to distribute 4+ goals among other players.
I say part way with all players that do not provide us good long term perspective, just like CR
Thats not how football works dude, Dybala is a fantastic player but also wildly inconsistent and moody and has spent the entire season out with a injury that no one even knows when he is going to return or whats is even wrong with him so who knows what dybala we will get in return. Apart from barcelona game years ago Dybala has not done much in CL knockout games so why are bashing ronaldo so hard for one tie vs porto when he stepped up in the others ? that is just being a hypocrite.

Ronaldo on other hand is very constistent and rarely ever injured. If kulu/morata where are only two strikers this year we would have been massively screwed.
 

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