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[juve123]

Sure. Until Inter won a trophy for the first time in a decade under, checks notes, Marotta. Pretty lucky that Beppe guy. We could use some of that luck.

But weren't most of tuz happy when Marotta left?

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

Get a grip. All of them are very much unknown qualities at top level. Huijsen the only one who played for a semi-top team and he was exposed. They all might or might not turn out good.

We'll see who we get in the end

No in this day and age you pay for the potential. Huijsen and Soule had alot of potential. So you get a fucking grip.

 

[icemaη]

But weren't most of tuz happy when Marotta left?

Tuz was fooled by the fraud that was Tici. Also, we thought we were in the big leagues by just signing Ronaldo. Beppe knew the truth, we were fools

 

[s4tch]

But weren't most of tuz happy when Marotta left?

my initial reaction:
https://www.juventuz.com/threads/giuseppe-marotta.30148/page-2048#post-5846743

 

[Amer]

my initial reaction:
https://www.juventuz.com/threads/giuseppe-marotta.30148/page-2048#post-5846743

Respect.

 

[Robee]

No in this day and age you pay for the potential. Huijsen and Soule had alot of potential. So you get a fucking grip.

Ablot of overhyped talents get sold for big fees but that doesn't make it the norm. We got 40 mil for 2 players that haven't proven much at all. We'll see whether we were better off keeping them or not. But right now we need the cash. Lost the grip their again.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Ablot of overhyped talents get sold for big fees but that doesn't make it the norm. Lost the grip their again.

Sorry to break it to you, it is the norm.

 

[Robee]

Sorry to break it to you, it is the norm.

No, it's not. In England it might be. But there are very few to no Serie A players with one season of relegation football under their belt being sold for 30m+. And neither center backs. I'm waiting for the names if there are.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

No, it's not. In England it might be. But there are very few to no Serie A players with one season of relegation football under their belt being sold for 30m+. And neither center backs. I'm waiting for the names if there are.

Now you're changing your stance. I'm not just talking serie A, it is the current state of the market.
We paid 60+ for de ligt for his talent for example just as Man utd paid 50+ for Yoro who has only had 1 full season in ligue 1 for his promise just as they forked out alot for Hoijlund, I could go on.

 

[Robee]

Now you're changing your stance. I'm not just talking serie A, it is the current state of the market.
We paid 60+ for de ligt for his talent for example just as Man utd paid 50+ for Yoro who has only had 1 full season in ligue 1 for his promise just as they forked out alot for Hoijlund, I could go on.

No, I'm not. I'm expanding on the overhyped part. Soulé went to Serie A. EPL is not the standard.

Aah De Ligt, yes. Paratici days. Those were awful and it turned out badly. Also De Ligt was sought after by all the to pclubs in Europe. Remind me what top clubs wanted Huijsen and Soulé?

Yes, Hojlund. First of all a number 9, the moste expensive position and a (very dumb and rich) EPL club.

So, still waiting for actual compareable examples.

 

[kronos]

Now you're changing your stance. I'm not just talking serie A, it is the current state of the market.
We paid 60+ for de ligt for his talent for example just as Man utd paid 50+ for Yoro who has only had 1 full season in ligue 1 for his promise just as they forked out alot for Hoijlund, I could go on.

Dude De ligt was already fully established starter in a very good Ajax team that did great in CL and was the most hot name for a CB at the time. I think he was their captain also. You cannot compare his price with Soule.

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Dude De ligt was already fully established starter in a very good Ajax team that did great in CL and was the most hot name for a CB at the time. I think he was their captain also. You cannot compare his price with Soule.

Or whoever it is you were talking about i might have mixed it up a bit lol.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Dude De ligt was already fully established starter in a very good Ajax team that did great in CL and was the most hot name for a CB at the time. I think he was their captain also. You cannot compare his price with Soule.

He was bought for the price we paid for his promise still.

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No, I'm not. I'm expanding on the overhyped part. Soulé went to Serie A. EPL is not the standard.

Aah De Ligt, yes. Paratici days. Those were awful and it turned out badly. Also De Ligt was sought after by all the to pclubs in Europe. Remind me what top clubs wanted Huijsen and Soulé?

Yes, Hojlund. First of all a number 9, the moste expensive position and a (very dumb and rich) EPL club.

So, still waiting for actual compareable examples.

It doesn't matter how they turned out. You miss the fucking point as usual, clubs pay alot of money for the promise of young players. That's the bottom line. Stop skirting around this simple fact.

How much did psg pay for mbappe? How much did madrid pay for the likes of Vini and Endrick? They paid alot for their promise.

We ended up bending over to roma and undersold Soule when other clubs offered more money and we definitely undersold Huijsen

 

[Robee]

He was bought for the price we paid for his promise still.

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It doesn't matter how they turned out. You miss the fucking point as usual, clubs pay alot of money for the promise of young players. That's the bottom line. Stop skirting around this simple fact.

How much did psg pay for mbappe? How much did madrid pay for the likes of Vini and Endrick? They paid alot for their promise.

We ended up bending over to roma and undersold Soule when other clubs offered more money and we definitely undersold Huijsen

What fucking point? You're comparing Bournemouth to Real Madrid and Roma to PSG. Sjeeesh... R e a l i s m; look at the interested teams and look at the teams that paid the fees you mentioned... It's not that hard to comprehend; richer teams pay more. Also because players get more hype when they're linked to those teams. You're clutching at straws here.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

What fucking point? You're comparing Bournemouth to Real Madrid and Roma to PSG. Sjeeesh... R e a l i s m; look at the interested teams and look at the teams that paid the fees you mentioned... It's not that hard to comprehend; richer teams pay more. Also because players get more hype when they're linked to those teams. You're clutching at straws here.

Still doesnt change the fact that Leicester offered more than roma for Soule, but we bent over backwards and let Soule have his way. Looking at where we are at today, I'd sooner have kept him and or Huijsen

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I'm going full Turk here, but in hindsight, the way shit unfolded at the end, the January transfer window looks like a sabotage operation. We bought two players who didn't contribute at all, for money we didn't have. The relationship between Guintoli and Max breaks down, shit hits the fan for the club. All the off field shenanigans meant we went from second on the table to winless for months. Guintoli made a big power move then, it's time for him to walk the talk now.

Never go full Turk.

But yeah, it does look a lot like that.

The moment he arrived [right after we finished 7th with a negative GD and we missed out on the CL money], Marotta faced the challenge of deciding what to do with the aging (super)stars. Among the 22 players who had played the most minutes before he arrived, 14 were 30+ (Camoranesi, Del Piero, Trezeguet, Grosso, Cannavaro, Iaquinta, Legrottaglie, Zebina, Amauri, Buffon, Poulsen, Salihamidzic, Grygera, Manninger). Most of them were, at the time, on very high wages, and, except for Buffon, all of them were (way) past their prime at the highest level.

Additionally, Diego and Felipe Melo were on high wages, and a decision needed to be made whether to build the team around them (and the season 09/10 showed that they aren't that good to deserve such a privilege), or let them go.

Caceres was on loan and returned to Spain, while Candreva was also on loan and returned to Udinese.

What remained after all this were: Chiellini, Marchisio, Sissoko, and De Ceglie.

This was an incredibly tough position for someone to start their Juve career as a director.

You're better than me at getting the point accross.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Still doesnt change the fact that Leicester offered more than roma for Soule, but we bent over backwards and let Soule have his way. Looking at where we are at today, I'd sooner have kept him and or Huijsen

Now imagine if Nice gave in to our demands because Todibo wanted us or Atalanta give to our demands because of Koop. Proper selling clubs. we are neither selling club or the sort that knows how to buy.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Now imagine if Nice gave in to our demands because Todibo wanted us or Atalanta give to our demands because of Koop. Proper selling clubs. we are neither selling club or the sort that knows how to buy.

The annoying thing about the todibo deal is not the fee, the fee was agreed, the smaller details of the option to buy was amended to make it more likely we would buy him outright in the future, then his resale clause was a minor detail which cost us this move, that's what annoys me. It's actually annoyed me more that we couldn't close this deal based on such minor detail than losing calafiori which I was completely fine with because we were simply priced out.

 

[Robee]

Still doesnt change the fact that Leicester offered more than roma for Soule, but we bent over backwards and let Soule have his way. Looking at where we are at today, I'd sooner have kept him and or Huijsen

It's not human trafficking... If Soulé wants Roma than you can't exactly force him elsewhere. Might have kept him, that's another thing. But I doubt we'll pay much more than 25 mil for his replacement either.

Keeping Huijsen was not an option, he wanted guarantees and he's not good enough for it.

 

[Boksic]

Looks like he has made a mess of this window.

 

[PhRoZeN]

But I doubt we'll pay much more than 25 mil for his replacement either.

25 buys you fourth goalkeeper but not good wingers.