Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (48 Viewers)
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One look at official statistics anyone can look at if they only wanted to, and I know I don't need to be scared one bit by Corona. My chance of dying from it is close to zero, and so is the chance of me getting hospitalized or seriously sick.
No anecdotal evidence and no smart reddit forum can argue those stats away.
I'm talking about young and healthy people here btw, not the elderly.
That's not to say it doesn't happen, but the chance just happens to be very slim.
No anecdotal evidence and no smart reddit forum can argue those stats away.
I'm talking about young and healthy people here btw, not the elderly.
That's not to say it doesn't happen, but the chance just happens to be very slim.
A vaccinated person should be protected from symptoms, but it's no guarantee. There's a lot of people who were on the bubble because they resisted infection so we never knew. Once the wall of infection is broken, it's again fresh meat for the virus to see if the symptoms will stick or not.
What's interesting is that omicron in South Africa is NOT apparently putting people in hospitals. Which would be huge. But not all national populations are anything like South Africa.
I think a lot of people have binary minds and still cannot cognitively get over that risk of infection and risk of symptoms are two different things. A lot of people are confusing infection for vaccine failure, when vaccines are tested and designed primarily for symptoms. And nothing is perfect.
A lot of panic is more about infection than symptoms it seems. And with higher infection rates, that means a lot more exposure so those few with reduced vaccine protection against symptoms are going to be more easily "found out" by a transmitting virus.
First, facts change. The virus mutates. Everyone and everything changes. The only constant in life is change. To think we have to hang our hat on absolute, immutable truths only means we have no truths ever. That's impossible to even do even short-term responses of any effectiveness. Like a war theater where the enemy, weather, and terrain changes, you cant keep fighting the original battle expecting a good outcome without altering your strategy.
Secondly, ever hear that quote from Mike Tyson: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth?" Well everyone has fundamental civil rights until the bodies start piling up. That goes for pandemics or wars or disasters or zombie apocalypses.People in ICUs have laughable rights to do the same things the rest of us healthy people are entitled to do. And if human behaviors are contributing to the disease and death of others, then civil rights under peacetime don't make sense anymore -- because what for? Dead people have no civil rights.
Thirdly, I think it's also exposing Western narcissism and its limits in a society where people believe in absolute individualism and every man for themselves. There are limits.
You don't see so-called Second- or Third-World countries (we aren't supposed to use those terms anymore
protesting vaccines in the street. And there are far more potholes there. So there's more nuance than just that to this.
The thing that I've noticed is that many of the biggest complainers about fear-mongering MSM are now becoming outright drama queens in hysterics whenever a new variant is discovered ("everyone is freaking out!" they said about Omicron's earlier this month as Fauci was saying "no need to panic"). People are now reporting that the New York state infection rate is higher than it's ever been this year, and we have drama queens in hysterics saying that stating a fact like that is fear-mongering, then running down a litany of unproven hypotheses about higher testing, blah blah blah.
Facts can't be just facts anymore. Just stating a fact is considered a political act.
What's interesting is that omicron in South Africa is NOT apparently putting people in hospitals. Which would be huge. But not all national populations are anything like South Africa.
I think a lot of people have binary minds and still cannot cognitively get over that risk of infection and risk of symptoms are two different things. A lot of people are confusing infection for vaccine failure, when vaccines are tested and designed primarily for symptoms. And nothing is perfect.
A lot of panic is more about infection than symptoms it seems. And with higher infection rates, that means a lot more exposure so those few with reduced vaccine protection against symptoms are going to be more easily "found out" by a transmitting virus.
First, facts change. The virus mutates. Everyone and everything changes. The only constant in life is change. To think we have to hang our hat on absolute, immutable truths only means we have no truths ever. That's impossible to even do even short-term responses of any effectiveness. Like a war theater where the enemy, weather, and terrain changes, you cant keep fighting the original battle expecting a good outcome without altering your strategy.
Secondly, ever hear that quote from Mike Tyson: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth?" Well everyone has fundamental civil rights until the bodies start piling up. That goes for pandemics or wars or disasters or zombie apocalypses.People in ICUs have laughable rights to do the same things the rest of us healthy people are entitled to do. And if human behaviors are contributing to the disease and death of others, then civil rights under peacetime don't make sense anymore -- because what for? Dead people have no civil rights.
Thirdly, I think it's also exposing Western narcissism and its limits in a society where people believe in absolute individualism and every man for themselves. There are limits.
You don't see so-called Second- or Third-World countries (we aren't supposed to use those terms anymore
protesting vaccines in the street. And there are far more potholes there. So there's more nuance than just that to this.The thing that I've noticed is that many of the biggest complainers about fear-mongering MSM are now becoming outright drama queens in hysterics whenever a new variant is discovered ("everyone is freaking out!" they said about Omicron's earlier this month as Fauci was saying "no need to panic"). People are now reporting that the New York state infection rate is higher than it's ever been this year, and we have drama queens in hysterics saying that stating a fact like that is fear-mongering, then running down a litany of unproven hypotheses about higher testing, blah blah blah.
Facts can't be just facts anymore. Just stating a fact is considered a political act.
But no one is saying you are at a real risk of dying from covid. They are saying that infection rates go up, the virus reaches more people who will end up in intensive care and it is disruptive to the healthcare system.
And that's bad news for everyone.
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And that's bad news for everyone.
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So interesting data point in a super highly vaccinated country with a lot of social adherence: COVID cases up, hospitalizations going down:
https://www.publico.pt/2021/12/21/s...al-regista-16-mortes-5754-novos-casos-1989441
https://www.publico.pt/2021/12/21/s...al-regista-16-mortes-5754-novos-casos-1989441
Same in New York City. Cases are skyrocketing (9,471), but so far ( 
) hospitalizations (94) are at 0.99% of cases, 11 total deaths. I'm sure there's going to be a bump in both unfortunately, but if things can continue at this rate it's a fantastic step, especially with the new treatments being approved.
) hospitalizations (94) are at 0.99% of cases, 11 total deaths. I'm sure there's going to be a bump in both unfortunately, but if things can continue at this rate it's a fantastic step, especially with the new treatments being approved.
