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AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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As I said. Their long game is wicked.
We (the west) are far too entrenched in their manufacturing labor etc to really fight back swiftly.

Americans are, as a population, going to have to accept high (much higher) prices of goods to really realtiate the way they (China) deserves it.
:agree: Everyone wants to talk tough, but when it comes time to pay then everyone gets quiet.
 

X Æ A-12

Senior Member
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
87,993
Even Vietnam or India would be much better than relying on China.

I know electronics manufacturing would not be an easy transition but long term I support the divestment in a nation that is so openly hostile towards us.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Are you telling me how to think? You see, you sound an awful lot like those elite “thinkers” from those fancy Ivy League schools that got us into this mess to begin with. Same ones that shoot down theories on natural immunity studies. Same ones that said 10 days to slow the spreed. Same ones that said you don’t need masks until their “thinking” led them to force it in everyone. Same ones that can go to Emmy’s unmasked or MET galas or former president’s bday parties or kept their states private schools open so their kids arent affected while everyone else with school aged kids gets screwed. You sound like the people (the “thinkers”) that said Biden’s 47 years in Washington would bring respect back to America and everything would be fine.

yeah. I’m reacting. I’m reacting to the “thinkers” nuking everything the touch and us “reactive common folks” pay for it.

Ive had over a year to “think”. I’m beyond that. I want to live to see the collapse of that country and their people overrun it.
Im just telling you that you are exhibiting signs of CDS, an analog of TDS.

I will give the scientists a little slack in general, because virus learning, mutation, and propagation isn’t a static thing and requires course correction with new information of legit significance.

But this whole thing has been more of a masterfook of communications. From its Trump origins until Biden in the now, there’s too much deliberation about optics and trying to manipulate human behavior as opposed to speaking to facts.

Examples abound. No to masks because we don’t want people to hoard. No to masks because we think mask mandates will discourage faith in people getting vaccinated. This is the deal with the devil that’s been made, and it’s been an utter disaster. Elites communicating with the public like they're stupid four-year-olds in the candy aisle.

I’ve changed a few thoughts such as when Delta has arisen, etc. But I’ve more often been steady myself, so it’s dumbfounding to find policy bending and swaying while I’ve stuck with my constants. Masks work as we learned ago with SARS-Cov-1. Vaccines are designed for symptoms and not infections. These have held true despite people bending them to their will in a vain attempt to control how others behave.

I still gotta mock the hypocrisy groaning though. Hypocrites may have made Dante’s eighth plane of Hell, but calling out hypocrisy is the most hypocritical act in itself. People who are the first to gripe about hypocrisy are like the bathroom-stall-toe-tapping congressmen who go on anti-gay rampages while blowing teenagers at rest stop bathrooms. You kind of lose your credibility card if that’s your opening line. What have you got to offer beyond finger pointing and asking for pogroms?

I never said I'd prefer China. I'm saying Americans shouldn't demand justice because they brought so much evil it's beyond China's shit. If there's justice then threat it equally, and if that happens Americans would need to bend over.



Oh, no, I didn't mean China won't ever fall. I mean China won't suffer anything because of Corona. Nothing happened after Chernobyl which was 2000 times worse thing than Covid.
True on both counts. The disaster in Afghanistan wasn’t made in just August. It’s been going on for 20+ years and then some. That then some including the US training and weaponizing a bunch of Islamic radicals who took up arms against the Soviets, only to turn their attention to blowing up American cities. Self-inflicted idiocy and yet still no culpability. Not one person was imprisoned or fired for funding the training and arming of people who helped blow up American buildings.

I don’t necessarily disagree with any of this, but it’s exactly why everything is so complicated and almost impossible. China is a corrupt and evil autocratic regime with zero accountability to its own people or the international community. America at least has a degree of accountability to its own people due to elections and judicial system and to the international community due to its alliances, etc. It’s not perfect but it’s a lot better than what China is and wants to be.

But the bigger question is how the heck do you do anything to make China more accountable to both its people and as a member of the global community. Seems impossible.
I have no interest in going back to China, let alone living there. Easily one of my least favorite counties in Asia. But they’re the only nation I’ve seen with any balls to define the role of a state in an evolving technocratic world of extra governmental tech giants. Europe, the Americas, they’ve all pussied out and offered nothing in response.

China has taken down Jack Ma and Alibaba more than a few notches, disrupted Ant, and demanded that their tech industry offer deeper tech advances for society for greater good and not just mindless apps for rich people. Crickets from the west. Rome is burning the house down with Big Tech abuses, and nobody changes the status quo. Nobody wants to do more than look like a tough guy against Zuckerberg and Bezos on TV soundbytes, all the while patting their backs after the public show and asking how they can buy more shares.

The social credit score is creepy and all. But that’s a Western mindset that doesn’t comprehend collective good over the individual good. Is the Western individualistic way better for its people overall for the challenges the world is throwing at us? Some people might sympathetically feel better about their freedom, but I can tell you the Chinese know that the West is dying like an old grandpa going senile and irrelevant. And much of the West is bitter, clueless, and too busy being angry and eating itself.

There’s a long way to go. But you tell me who seems to have the right strategic play for the future right now given what we’re witnessing. The West is not doing itself any favors.
 
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Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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I’ve been saying this for SO LONG. Move manufacturing to CA and SA and keep it on this side of the globe

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I guess that’s what I was projecting :p
lol, fair enough I guess the media makes people feel a little persecuted from time to time

when people ask me about covid vaccine stuff, especially here in Utah, I tell them to talk to their doctor

I’m not the guy people need to be getting their medical advice from, if people trust someone enough to go see them when they’re sick or their kids get sick, why not trust that person to answer questions about vaccinations?

plus, I have certain political leanings as does everyone but it’s pretty easy to take that out of the equation when it comes to personal health and safety
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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I work in Logistics and Sourcing. Much of my companies oversea manufacturing partners work out of Vietnam.
my uncle moved a lot of Flextronics manufacturing from China and Malaysia to Mexico and Brazil before retired and apparently the quality of product went up significantly
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,827
So anyways, here are two maps comparing positivity rate and vaccination rate in different neighborhoods.

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Cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continue their slow decline. Hopefully things continute at this pace so that once the winter holidays come around, the spike shouldn't be too big. The current main hot spots mostly correlate with lower vaccination rates, which shouldn't really be a surprise at this point.

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I got offered a job in the UK :tuttosport:

Everyone said it was impossible (even I thought so) but it happened somehow.

Now the visa process :scared:
Congratulations!! It's all coming together now.
 

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