Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (53 Viewers)

[DAiDEViL]

And the reason for young people to get vaxxed is because they don’t act like spreaders. But whatever, I think at this point it’s useless to keep arguing about this, people have made up their minds on what they wanna do

Spread it to who? The elderly who are already vaccinated anyway? Personally, the only people in risk groups that I know and come in contact with are my parents (even though not THAT old) and my grandma - And all of them are vaccinated. Should I catch it, I can give it to zero people who are at real risk, as the risk groups are already vaccinated.

But agreed, needless to argue.
The only way I'll take it is if they basically force me with a mandatory vaccination through th backdoor, only allowing vaccinated people to do certain things, and even that won't last forever.

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

I think at this point you have just let it loose. It’s been more than a year. Most people have at least some knowledge of the implications of the virus, the vaccines, etc. So let them figure it out for themselves. We’re fully open and this method seems to be working for us.

There's still the trouble of public health care systems being overburdened (doesn't apply to US) but yeah, wtf, this shit is not going to get eliminated this way.

 

[lgorTudor]

I think at this point you have just let it loose. It’s been more than a year. Most people have at least some knowledge of the implications of the virus, the vaccines, etc. So let them figure it out for themselves. We’re fully open and this method seems to be working for us.

The underlying assumption of your toast is that governments are benevolent and defeating the covid situation is actually their objective rather than abusing the crisis and sneaking in another pack of Orwellian shit.

 

[Enron]

The underlying assumption of your toast is that governments are benevolent and defeating the covid situation is actually their objective rather than abusing the crisis and sneaking in another pack of Orwellian shit.

If that’s the case brother, you need arm yourself and bring down that tyrant. Allow yourself to be free and not hide in the shadows.

 

[Post Ironic]

Spread it to who? The elderly who are already vaccinated anyway? Personally, the only people in risk groups that I know and come in contact with are my parents (even though not THAT old) and my grandma - And all of them are vaccinated. Should I catch it, I can give it to zero people who are at real risk, as the risk groups are already vaccinated.

But agreed, needless to argue.
The only way I'll take it is if they basically force me with a mandatory vaccination through th backdoor, only allowing vaccinated people to do certain things, and even that won't last forever.

I think the idea is not spreading it to those who are immunocompromised and unable to take the vaccine. Which is the idea behind herd immunity anyways. A small percentage of people cannot actually take vaccines (of any sort for some), and therefore it’s up to everyone else to take them to protect the entire “herd”. Not saying I agree with forcing people to do this, but it’s definitely part of it. It’s also why with the anti-vaccine movement in general we’re seeing a return of diseases that had been eradicated in the western world. Childhood vaccination rates dropping is a big problem. This Covid vaccine is of course much different, and doesn’t have the solid long term science and studies behind it saying it’s 100% safe and effective.

Anyways, people make their choices and have to live with them. The “risk” of the vaccine, the “risk” of Covid, possible reduced freedoms for the unvaccinated. We’ll see how the next year goes. Canada should be at 70% of the entire population vaccinated fully in the next month or two, so I’m curious to see how the fall/winter go. There’s not going to much room for the population accepting any sort of lockdowns or restrictions after the rhetoric surrounding getting vaccinated.

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If that’s the case brother, you need arm yourself and bring down that tyrant. Allow yourself to be free and not hide in the shadows.

January 6th insurrectionists are the true heroes of the republic

 

[Seven]

You guys ready for another winter locked inside?

They should just start with the UBI already so we don't ever have to leave the house and can watch football and Netflix all day

I don't think that is going to happen at all.

It has been a year and a half and people are bored. In most European countries the vast majority will be vaccinated by the end of the summer. There may be new variants, but the vaccines should offer some protection against those as well.

And then there's the fact that there are a million other diseases out there as well, you can't shut down your entire society because of a virus that is no longer deadly for 99% of the population.

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There’s not going to much room for the population accepting any sort of lockdowns or restrictions after the rhetoric surrounding getting vaccinated.

And rightfully so. I think it's very safe to say that, in Belgium at least, there was a lot of fearmongering. There were very restricting measures, lockdowns, facemasks, an entire stop to any sort of social life whatsoever.. and the fact is they achieved nothing. Numbers still went up at pretty random times and ironically they went down the minute temperatures went up (seriously, congrats to our awesome virologists mocking people who claimed they would, because they did just that).

Maybe, and I say maybe, there was a risk of our intensive care units being overburdened. But we are long past that point and I am honestly fed up with virologists who have now become famous and are clinging on to their last few minutes of fame. Enough is enough.

We have much more important issues to deal with and with half the world ablaze and the other half aflood, I would think people would realise this.

 

[Siamak]

I wonder why people still refuse to take the vaccine. Enough people have taken it now and besides a handful of cases, there have been no ill effects.

idk about Europe but in the US, the states being hit the hardest now are the ones with low vaccination % like out in bumblefuck Midwest. I’ve been to multiple states and cities this spring/summer and have seen plenty of people out and about living life like normal. Even NYC was full of people and most didn’t have masks on

you may get infected even after vaccination.even without vaccine, the situation is the same. Only less than one per cent become sick on getting infected. Mostly, it is asymptomatic.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Man the things people believe to comfort themselves

 

[Enron]

There's still the trouble of public health care systems being overburdened (doesn't apply to US) but yeah, wtf, this shit is not going to get eliminated this way.

I agree which is why simple case counts aren’t that important now. Hospitalizations are what people should be worrying about.

 

[JuveJay]

I wonder why people still refuse to take the vaccine. Enough people have taken it now and besides a handful of cases, there have been no ill effects.

idk about Europe but in the US, the states being hit the hardest now are the ones with low vaccination % like out in bumblefuck Midwest. I’ve been to multiple states and cities this spring/summer and have seen plenty of people out and about living life like normal. Even NYC was full of people and most didn’t have masks on

My niece doesn't want to take it because she has serious white coat syndrome, but she also believe that there is a risk of making her infertile. Suppose she heard it from a friend of a friend who watched a YouTube Karen say it.

 

[JuveJay]

As you could read, European policy is something scary. Read about the situation in France, is basically obligated and if you don’t want it you have to test every 48 hour to live a normal life. That’s my biggest concern. I’m not joining the circus if we’re treated like shit

I'm being "encouraged" to go back to the office for one day a week from Monday, but I'm being "advised" to take two LFT's per week to protect others. So how many people are actually going to do that?

 

[Siamak]

Why do fully vaccinated people have to keep wearing a mask though? And we have a incidence of roughly 4 or so. It's ludicrous.

Bring on the survival of the fittest method at this point. Those who wanted the vaccine, have it by now. That's roughly 60%. We throwing vaccines in the bin like crazy already and it's gonna get slower and slower at this point.

Robert Koch institute should be in for a surprise with their targeted quote

"We must aim to get 90 percent of people over 60 and 85 percent of 12 to 59 year olds to get vaccinated."

Good luck with that.

Get the vaccine, then keep wearing the mask, stay 6 feet away from others. Meaning don't get too relaxed because the vaccine doesn't work, in fact it causes blood clots in the brain, but don't worry. It only happens to some of the people.

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Man the things people believe to comfort themselves

What is the use of vaccine if we can still get infected...My relative who went to armenia for vaccinate got covid after booster dose

 

[X Æ A-12]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely. "

 

[Dostoevsky]

I wonder why people still refuse to take the vaccine. Enough people have taken it now and besides a handful of cases, there have been no ill effects.

idk about Europe but in the US, the states being hit the hardest now are the ones with low vaccination % like out in bumblefuck Midwest. I’ve been to multiple states and cities this spring/summer and have seen plenty of people out and about living life like normal. Even NYC was full of people and most didn’t have masks on

You believe in vaccines, right? You think it helps and if you get corona you have less risk? That's fine. Why do you care if I don't take one? It's my life. You got yours and according to science you are protected. If I catch covid and we go hang out, you are safe according to science. Why have lockdowns and measures? You, and majority who took vaccines, which you believe in, took it. What's the issue exactly?

 

[Ronn]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely. "

“Work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation”. That should be very illegal.

 

[Enron]

You believe in vaccines, right? You think it helps and if you get corona you have less risk? That's fine. Why do you care if I don't take one? It's my life. You got yours and according to science you are protected. If I catch covid and we go hang out, you are safe according to science. Why have lockdowns and measures? You, and majority who took vaccines, which you believe in, took it. What's the issue exactly?

does it make a difference if someone had a vaccine but doesn’t believe in vaccines?

 

[Ronn]

Get the vaccine, then keep wearing the mask, stay 6 feet away from others. Meaning don't get too relaxed because the vaccine doesn't work, in fact it causes blood clots in the brain, but don't worry. It only happens to some of the people.

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What is the use of vaccine if we can still get infected...My relative who went to armenia for vaccinate got covid after booster dose

There are many studies that show people who get the vaccine have a smaller risk on ending up in hospital or death. Vaccine can never give you a 100% protection.

 

[Post Ironic]

I don't think that is going to happen at all.

It has been a year and a half and people are bored. In most European countries the vast majority will be vaccinated by the end of the summer. There may be new variants, but the vaccines should offer some protection against those as well.

And then there's the fact that there are a million other diseases out there as well, you can't shut down your entire society because of a virus that is no longer deadly for 99% of the population.

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And rightfully so. I think it's very safe to say that, in Belgium at least, there was a lot of fearmongering. There were very restricting measures, lockdowns, facemasks, an entire stop to any sort of social life whatsoever.. and the fact is they achieved nothing. Numbers still went up at pretty random times and ironically they went down the minute temperatures went up (seriously, congrats to our awesome virologists mocking people who claimed they would, because they did just that).

Maybe, and I say maybe, there was a risk of our intensive care units being overburdened. But we are long past that point and I am honestly fed up with virologists who have now become famous and are clinging on to their last few minutes of fame. Enough is enough.

We have much more important issues to deal with and with half the world ablaze and the other half aflood, I would think people would realise this.

Early on I was fine with the measures while they were still figuring things out, and perhaps in the craziest hit places where it was killing large numbers daily, one could make an argument for some restrictions during the worst moments to avoid overwhelming health care system, but by and large governments should have got their shit sorted out during the initial few months long lockdown and managed it through other measures while keeping society open later.

There should be absolutely zero room for lockdowns going forward. Ludicrous to think they might be having lockdowns two years after the beginning of a pandemic, with 50-70% of the population vaccinated.

 

[suligodsilla]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...-unvaccinated-analysis-finds/?sh=739eff03f049

 

[Alex-444]

i can't go to work without vaccination fuck moscow