Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (104 Viewers)
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Sure, public health specialists are going to do what they’re going to do, but to blame them is incredibly short sighted. Especially when you look at the economic handling of the situation. Utah for example has about a week to spend millions of dollars for small businesses and they’ve had that cash since April. Meanwhile small businesses have been closing every week and we’ve never had a lockdown.
There are several states like this. Pretty much every thing the government has touched in the us has been a disaster. Small business assistance has been a disaster.
a good example of house to succeed is how s Korea, Taiwan, Australia etc handled things.
There are several states like this. Pretty much every thing the government has touched in the us has been a disaster. Small business assistance has been a disaster.
a good example of house to succeed is how s Korea, Taiwan, Australia etc handled things.
Definitely not blaming the medical experts. What's short sighted is the policy making.
Here right now, it's roughly an average of 40 new cases a day, 5 to 10 deaths a week. Schools have been closed since April. Outdoor sports are not allowed (but gyms are open
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Citizens are still not allowed to enter the country unless given an exemption. Thousands have been waiting 8 months to return, and are stuck wherever in the world with no income. Meanwhile, illegal immigrants are still able to enter by fishing boats in the hundreds per week. We had it under control to the point where we had zero active cases for two months but of course, it couldn't stay that way with porous borders. Instead of doing what needs to be done to secure the borders and get it under control, it's just easier to tell everyone to stay home except for work. Makes a whole lot of sense. Other Caribbean islands are doing a lot better, even with tourists being welcomed.
Gatherings of 10 or more in public spaces are not allowed. But the Attorney General's niece can have a wedding with hundreds of guests.
Restrictions were temporarily lifted. We had an election with the whole campaigning and big rallies (that's when the numbers really blew up). After that, lock down again. Again, the ones making the rules don't believe in it themselves. Rules are for the plebs.
No one is saying to open bars, allow parties again, let there be Carnival. Just make it make sense.
But don't worry, it's for your own good. The Government will keep you safe.
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Thank God them vaccines came through a lot sooner than everyone expected, eh?
Here right now, it's roughly an average of 40 new cases a day, 5 to 10 deaths a week. Schools have been closed since April. Outdoor sports are not allowed (but gyms are open
).Citizens are still not allowed to enter the country unless given an exemption. Thousands have been waiting 8 months to return, and are stuck wherever in the world with no income. Meanwhile, illegal immigrants are still able to enter by fishing boats in the hundreds per week. We had it under control to the point where we had zero active cases for two months but of course, it couldn't stay that way with porous borders. Instead of doing what needs to be done to secure the borders and get it under control, it's just easier to tell everyone to stay home except for work. Makes a whole lot of sense. Other Caribbean islands are doing a lot better, even with tourists being welcomed.
Gatherings of 10 or more in public spaces are not allowed. But the Attorney General's niece can have a wedding with hundreds of guests.
Restrictions were temporarily lifted. We had an election with the whole campaigning and big rallies (that's when the numbers really blew up). After that, lock down again. Again, the ones making the rules don't believe in it themselves. Rules are for the plebs.
No one is saying to open bars, allow parties again, let there be Carnival. Just make it make sense.
But don't worry, it's for your own good. The Government will keep you safe.
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Thank God them vaccines came through a lot sooner than everyone expected, eh?
To my fellow Europeans: how come during the second wave the restrictions or partial lockdowns don't really seem to work anywhere in our continent? France, Italy, the UK and even Germany nowadays are registering a lot of new cases and some countries have more new cases than they did a month ago before social restrictions.
During the first wave we saw new cases fall down after national lockdowns, it seems like the same restrictions don't really seem so effective now.
During the first wave we saw new cases fall down after national lockdowns, it seems like the same restrictions don't really seem so effective now.
Yeah, we go the same over here. Personally I'd personally rather have a Wuhan-style lockdown for a couple of weeks with cases dropping to 0 and re-opening society instead of 'mainlining an acceptable' number of cases with new peaks every now and then and restricting social contacts every month slightly more.
Just seems to me like most European politicians are avoiding the only thing that really works: hard measures early on.
Just seems to me like most European politicians are avoiding the only thing that really works: hard measures early on.
Don't know about others but my countries didn't do shit in the second wave. I mean, they kinda did, but it was way too late. But I don't think they ignored it because they are retarded (which they are) regarding it, but more due to being aware of a financial blow we'd have had we placed the same restrictions like we did in March/April. We used to have a curfew and a big lockdown during weekends while even transport and majority of other stuff was closed. We used to have 300 cases per day. Now after reaching 5k cases they decided to place some measures which are way softer than they used to be. Now we have shops, gyms and other stuff closed at 18h. We reached 8k cases. Now we're seeing a decline over the past 5 days, but numbers are still insane. IMO they were/are aware that this shitstorm is going to last at least until March, so they decided not to place big restrictions for many months because people would riot.
The thing which I don't seem to understand, not taking measures isn't really an option. We saw it over here with Boris' policy and stance at first, that quickly changed. At some point ICU-capacity will reach it's max and you'll have to take even more extreme measures as a government unless you're willing to risk that people that need health care have no where to go at some point (like Bergamo).
So if you know that at some point. you have to take measures (and risk political impopularity), why not do it early on? I'd rather be in a full lockdown for 4 weeks only to have 4 weeks of liberty and social interactions as safe as possible and probably risk a new 4 week lockdown instead of 12 weeks of having a 'soft lockdown' and essentially being deprived of my freedom as well with having no perspective.
I also don't think 'saving the economy' is a good argument against not taking measures. I hate to say it, but as long as there's a pandemic in the world and the markets are in full panic mode, some people will lose their jobs. There's just too much uncertainty and the investment climate is the worst it's been since 100 years.
So if you know that at some point. you have to take measures (and risk political impopularity), why not do it early on? I'd rather be in a full lockdown for 4 weeks only to have 4 weeks of liberty and social interactions as safe as possible and probably risk a new 4 week lockdown instead of 12 weeks of having a 'soft lockdown' and essentially being deprived of my freedom as well with having no perspective.
I also don't think 'saving the economy' is a good argument against not taking measures. I hate to say it, but as long as there's a pandemic in the world and the markets are in full panic mode, some people will lose their jobs. There's just too much uncertainty and the investment climate is the worst it's been since 100 years.
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In the UK the lockdown is soft compared to the first one. The tiers might be in place in terms of no pubs or household mixing (which people don't follow very well), yet you can still go shopping almost everywhere, still go to the gym. People work more from home but in manufacturing or construction industries you still have to go to work and mix with many people outside your household.
Only the hard lockdown with full furlough worked, but that couldn't happen again because of the economy.
Only the hard lockdown with full furlough worked, but that couldn't happen again because of the economy.
Yeah, I don't really get the English or UK strategy tbh. We're trying to copy it with 5-tiers, but it makes really no sense to me. It seems to me like regional restrictions look good on paper but if there's no ban on in-state travel there's still going to be transmission throughout the country.
If I understand it correctly: I could be living in a Tier 3 restriction area with a lot of infections yet if I have a car I can travel to a Tier 2 area to visit a pub or restaurant just a few km's away? Seems like you could come from a high risk zone and travel to the nearest pub in tier-2 zone and start new infection chains.
If I understand it correctly: I could be living in a Tier 3 restriction area with a lot of infections yet if I have a car I can travel to a Tier 2 area to visit a pub or restaurant just a few km's away? Seems like you could come from a high risk zone and travel to the nearest pub in tier-2 zone and start new infection chains.
I went to two garden centres last week in Leicestershire which were only 20 miles away. They are in tier 2. I could have stopped in any pub to eat. Personally I wouldn't have felt bad about it as we'd both tested negative recently and actually live in an area with a low "R" rating, but the whole of Warwickshire has just been thrown in with the rest of the West Midlands large urban areas and higher rating.
Cornwall is the only current tier 1 county on the mainland, and they were expecting an influx of visitors from neighbouring counties, but it never materialised. In reality you get the odd person but it's just passing trade.
Cornwall is the only current tier 1 county on the mainland, and they were expecting an influx of visitors from neighbouring counties, but it never materialised. In reality you get the odd person but it's just passing trade.