Trump killing off his supporter base with medical 'advice' seems like a bad political move. I'm all for it, don't get me wrong, just seems short-sighted.
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I’m not a fan of NYT but this is hilarious
The daily White House coronavirus task force briefing is the one portion of the day that Mr. Trump looks forward to, although even Republicans say that the two hours of political attacks, grievances and falsehoods by the president are hurting him politically.
Mr. Trump will hear none of it. Aides say he views them as prime-time shows that are the best substitute for the rallies he can no longer attend but craves.
Mr. Trump rarely attends the task force meetings that precede the briefings, and he typically does not prepare before he steps in front of the cameras. He is often seeing the final version of the day’s main talking points that aides have prepared for him for the first time although aides said he makes tweaks with a Sharpie just before he reads them live. He hastily plows through them, usually in a monotone, in order to get to the question-and-answer bullying session with reporters that he relishes.
The daily White House coronavirus task force briefing is the one portion of the day that Mr. Trump looks forward to, although even Republicans say that the two hours of political attacks, grievances and falsehoods by the president are hurting him politically.
Mr. Trump will hear none of it. Aides say he views them as prime-time shows that are the best substitute for the rallies he can no longer attend but craves.
Mr. Trump rarely attends the task force meetings that precede the briefings, and he typically does not prepare before he steps in front of the cameras. He is often seeing the final version of the day’s main talking points that aides have prepared for him for the first time although aides said he makes tweaks with a Sharpie just before he reads them live. He hastily plows through them, usually in a monotone, in order to get to the question-and-answer bullying session with reporters that he relishes.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus
Apparently, a Florida based church cult and bleach manufacturer has been lobbying the White House to support their bleach product as a cure for coronavirus, which you actually are supposed to drink.
Florida lol @CrimsonianKing
Apparently, a Florida based church cult and bleach manufacturer has been lobbying the White House to support their bleach product as a cure for coronavirus, which you actually are supposed to drink.
Florida lol @CrimsonianKing
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus
Apparently, a Florida based church cult and bleach manufacturer, has been lobbying the White House to support their bleach product as a cure for coronavirus, which you actually are supposed to drink.
Florida lol @CrimsonianKing
Apparently, a Florida based church cult and bleach manufacturer, has been lobbying the White House to support their bleach product as a cure for coronavirus, which you actually are supposed to drink.
Florida lol @CrimsonianKing
Andrew Cuomo's press conference today (starts at 23:40 mark).
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I hope they said "Yes"
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The writer made that mistake only in 1-2 spots, at the beginning. For the most part, the distinction was made, iirc.
Either way, this is not one of those op-eds, but an account on data/observations made by medical personnel in the field, so I wouldn't worry about the writer's proficiency on the pandemic.
The gist of it is that covid is no longer a, more or less, exclusively respiratory disease but there may be multiple ways in which the virus could manifest itself in the human body and cause severe illness or death.
About a week or so ago, NY reported ~3800 deaths, which was between 1/3 - 1/4 of the death toll at the time. Many of those were people who had died at their homes, not at hospitals. They were presumably mild covid cases with very few to no symptoms, that didn't require medical supervision or hospitalization. The condition of those people, however, worsened very quickly and they died before they could get treatment. Medics are now looking into blood clotting being behind this rapid deterioration, not respiratory issues.
The reason why this is important is because, if covid can be deadly in more than one avenue, that means more people, with varying underlying health issues, would fall into the risk category. IIRC, there is even mention of people without any symptoms (aka asymptomatic cases) getting blood clotting and their condition deteriorating quickly.
Point is, nobody is safe, can't know how you are gonna go thru it until you actually do. A colleague of mine, in his early 40s, a smoker but no known underlying condtions, went though hell, while his 80 yo mother, with diabetes, barely broke a sweat in dealing with covid. One just doesn't know before it actually happens ...
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I hope they said "Yes"
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The writer made that mistake only in 1-2 spots, at the beginning. For the most part, the distinction was made, iirc.
Either way, this is not one of those op-eds, but an account on data/observations made by medical personnel in the field, so I wouldn't worry about the writer's proficiency on the pandemic.
The gist of it is that covid is no longer a, more or less, exclusively respiratory disease but there may be multiple ways in which the virus could manifest itself in the human body and cause severe illness or death.
About a week or so ago, NY reported ~3800 deaths, which was between 1/3 - 1/4 of the death toll at the time. Many of those were people who had died at their homes, not at hospitals. They were presumably mild covid cases with very few to no symptoms, that didn't require medical supervision or hospitalization. The condition of those people, however, worsened very quickly and they died before they could get treatment. Medics are now looking into blood clotting being behind this rapid deterioration, not respiratory issues.
The reason why this is important is because, if covid can be deadly in more than one avenue, that means more people, with varying underlying health issues, would fall into the risk category. IIRC, there is even mention of people without any symptoms (aka asymptomatic cases) getting blood clotting and their condition deteriorating quickly.
Point is, nobody is safe, can't know how you are gonna go thru it until you actually do. A colleague of mine, in his early 40s, a smoker but no known underlying condtions, went though hell, while his 80 yo mother, with diabetes, barely broke a sweat in dealing with covid. One just doesn't know before it actually happens ...
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I learn so much from Donald Trump coronavirus briefings.
Today, I discovered that one can be cured of this by shining powerful UV light inside the body, and then injecting disinfectants into the lungs.
The president of the United States, ladies and gents. An extremely stable genius.
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Curious to see how long before some dumb MAGA deplorables drink bleach or Isopropyl to cure themselves.
Today, I discovered that one can be cured of this by shining powerful UV light inside the body, and then injecting disinfectants into the lungs.
The president of the United States, ladies and gents. An extremely stable genius.
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Curious to see how long before some dumb MAGA deplorables drink bleach or Isopropyl to cure themselves.
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I love how you are making fun of Trump but the other option was Hillary. 
WTF is wrong with the most advanced country in the world when the two main presidential candidates are Trump and Hillary Clinton... And now it looks it will be Biden and Trump... WTF
WTF is wrong with the most advanced country in the world when the two main presidential candidates are Trump and Hillary Clinton... And now it looks it will be Biden and Trump... WTF
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-and I was thinking to cure cancers, we just have to change their astrological sign, right?
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You can't trust squat out of a China mouthpiece, no question. That said, people getting worked up about China trying to keep a lid on it is more than a bit hypocritical ... as in 194 countries agreed that protecting trade and tourism was more important than public health. I keep going back to this:
https://pandemic.substack.com/p/the-2005-decision-that-made-the-2020
It's pretty clear 194 countries wanted to be the beach town mayor in Jaws, and China drew the lucky card this time.
That is absolutely true, which is why the impacts on the USA are much more uneven ... but seem to be evening out more over time though. But South Korea is still 50 million people, which is bigger than California. So it's not Singapore. And they have population density to boot, which is probably the very biggest determining factors in the spread of the disease ... at least at these initial stages.
The fascinating thing to me about South Korea is that around late February when China had administered about 200k tests, South Korea managed to do 30k tests in its first few days of testing... as it was just getting off the ground. Meanwhile the US had only done about 420 and probably didn't reach the 30k mark in that timeframe until a couple of weeks ago.
The IRS/PPP stuff helps. But we also need people to have basic access to healthcare to keep the wildfires from spreading. Repealing Obamacare without anything close to a replacement is going to keep the economy shut down more severely and for longer.
And that story about the fundamental, almost Bayesian-like, assumptions of existing conditions for Keynesian economists only reminds me of:
https://pandemic.substack.com/p/the-2005-decision-that-made-the-2020
It's pretty clear 194 countries wanted to be the beach town mayor in Jaws, and China drew the lucky card this time.
That is absolutely true, which is why the impacts on the USA are much more uneven ... but seem to be evening out more over time though. But South Korea is still 50 million people, which is bigger than California. So it's not Singapore. And they have population density to boot, which is probably the very biggest determining factors in the spread of the disease ... at least at these initial stages.
The fascinating thing to me about South Korea is that around late February when China had administered about 200k tests, South Korea managed to do 30k tests in its first few days of testing... as it was just getting off the ground. Meanwhile the US had only done about 420 and probably didn't reach the 30k mark in that timeframe until a couple of weeks ago.
The IRS/PPP stuff helps. But we also need people to have basic access to healthcare to keep the wildfires from spreading. Repealing Obamacare without anything close to a replacement is going to keep the economy shut down more severely and for longer.
And that story about the fundamental, almost Bayesian-like, assumptions of existing conditions for Keynesian economists only reminds me of:
The government's incompetence aside, what's unique about the US is the obsession with conspiracy theories, dismissing things as hoaxes and lies, the fear that there is someone out there who is trying to milk people and fool them and steal their money all the time (think vaccination, climate change, a virus that is first discounted as something created by the media and then in a Chinese lab). There is of course always merit in discussing policies, there is no doubt that decisions with the best intentions could have detrimental effects, it's right to say that the claims made by policymakers are often not falsifiable (even if they end up being successful in producing the intended effect), but this much of disregard for scientific evidence (coupled with the know-it-all attitude no matter what the subject matter is, from economy to medicine), while might not be unique to the US, is the most vocal and the most dangerous in this country because of a giant lie machine in Fox News.
Trump is just saying what his advisors or doctors are saying. There's no way he's doing any type of research, anything he says about the whole situation is just based on the second hand information.
The thing we learned from this whole pandemia that when such a thing happens next time, the best way is just to live through it. We could put ourselves to a completely hygienic, closed area for next 20 years and once we would get out of it or when the bubble would break, there would be alot of the stuff in the world outside that we wouldn't have immunity against. We need that certain type of immunity to live in this planet and being completely immune to everything is just impossible, so best way is to get it and live through it instead of closing all the places, atleast in the scenarios like this where death rate % is pretty damn low. Whole quarantine just makes life more miserable just for the majority of the people. Trying to save couple lives here and there without further knowledge about whole situation affects on the lifes in a long run is just a big gamble. If you feel that it ain't safe to be around, then it's your own decision but forcing people to be without the jobs, without the only meal of the day or anything for certain group of people is so stupid.
That's my two cents on whole situation and whether it's Trump, my own goverment or anybody else who are speaking about the whole situation, nobody knows better than the other just because the situation is new for everyone.
The thing we learned from this whole pandemia that when such a thing happens next time, the best way is just to live through it. We could put ourselves to a completely hygienic, closed area for next 20 years and once we would get out of it or when the bubble would break, there would be alot of the stuff in the world outside that we wouldn't have immunity against. We need that certain type of immunity to live in this planet and being completely immune to everything is just impossible, so best way is to get it and live through it instead of closing all the places, atleast in the scenarios like this where death rate % is pretty damn low. Whole quarantine just makes life more miserable just for the majority of the people. Trying to save couple lives here and there without further knowledge about whole situation affects on the lifes in a long run is just a big gamble. If you feel that it ain't safe to be around, then it's your own decision but forcing people to be without the jobs, without the only meal of the day or anything for certain group of people is so stupid.
That's my two cents on whole situation and whether it's Trump, my own goverment or anybody else who are speaking about the whole situation, nobody knows better than the other just because the situation is new for everyone.
https://nationalpost.com/news/covid...-decade-of-life-on-average-analysis-shows/amp
Interesting study on years of life lost for average coronavirus patient... conclusion here was 13 years on average for men, and 11 years on average for women. Takes into account underlying, chronic health conditions too. Not without its flaws, this research, I’m sure, but interesting nonetheless.
So a little more than the banal and glib, “they all would have died within the next year or two anyways”, crowd has been claiming.
Interesting study on years of life lost for average coronavirus patient... conclusion here was 13 years on average for men, and 11 years on average for women. Takes into account underlying, chronic health conditions too. Not without its flaws, this research, I’m sure, but interesting nonetheless.
So a little more than the banal and glib, “they all would have died within the next year or two anyways”, crowd has been claiming.
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