Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (80 Viewers)

s4tch

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Quetzalcoatl said:
I simply can't see how that will work for such a long period. With all that unemployment and loss of income, people will be unable to afford basic necessities, social unrest sounds like a mild way to imagine the inevitable outcome.

Would it be feasible instead of starting and stopping lockdowns indefinitely, for countries to start ramping up their health care capacities*, gradually easing restrictions as the capacities increase until the systems can manage society returning to as regular as possible, while keeping the elderly and at-risk quarantined? Obviously it's not so simple, but to me it sounds preferable to attempting to run a country indefinitely at a fraction of it's prior economic level. This can't go on much longer.

*Build semi-permanent structures equipped solely for Covid-19. Other existing health care facilities will be kept for the regular health care.

I don't know if it's logistically impossible, or if it's just politically unpopular to tell the masses to go on with their lives as usual at their own risk.
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intensive care beds are very expensive to build, and you also need the personnel for those. where do you get the staff for a semi-permanent covid cure centers from? i honestly have no idea, and my bet is that in most countries the health care system usually suffers from labor shortage, even without the current overload.

i'm no expert in epidemiology, but it's clear to me that the korean method works. i mean not the north korean full denial, but the south korean "test everyone" method. they had a rough 2 weeks around late february, early march, but they managed to stop the curve, and keep their death rate pretty low because their health system wasn't overloaded. now they have ~100 new cases in a 50m country (murica had 25k new cases for a population of ~330m), that's a rate any european country or the us would be willing to accept. test, test, test, and if someone's positive, send him home, then test again in 2 weeks. hospitalize those who need a ventilator. wear a mask and gloves. rinse and repeat indefinitely, and accept that you can't save anyone.
 

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Ronn

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Seven said:
Thank you.

We are dying if we keep this up.

I can't for the life of me understand why everyone is on board with this.
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I doubt anybody disagrees with the economic implications of this. It’s just that the other solution is not much better. Your healthcare system is still fucked, although to a lesser scale, and you have to isolate every old person, which requires massive resources on its own.
 
AFL_ITALIA

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Everyone should stop comparing COVID with the flu. It is not the flu. It does not behave or mutate like the flu.

Relatively Stable SARS-CoV-2 Genome Is Good News for a Vaccine

"The small number of genetic differences between the original strain of the novel coronavirus from Wuhan and those currently circulating in the US population indicates that a vaccine may likely offer lasting immunity."

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-...cov-2-genome-is-good-news-for-a-vaccine-67319


Additionally, there are no easy solutions to this. It's important that we all recognize this. No matter what, people are going to die AND we're going to be experience a global economic downturn.
 
Seven

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AFL_ITALIA said:
Additionally, there are no easy solutions to this. It's important that we all recognize this. No matter what, people are going to die AND we're going to be experience a global economic downturn.
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This is true.

Btw I'm not comparing it to the flu because of its characteristics as a disease. I'm talking about numbers.
 
AFL_ITALIA

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Seven said:
This is true.

Btw I'm not comparing it to the flu because of its characteristics as a disease. I'm talking about numbers.
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Understandable. The flu can be dangerous as well, I'm sure we can all agree. However, I cannot recall in my lifetime a flu that has overwhelmed healthcare systems around the world, and that is the key in all of this.
 
Seven

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campionesidd said:
What would be your solution?
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My solution now seems impossible. Enforce social distancing, try to provide as much face masks to everyone (of course they help, who are we fooling?) and let people go to work as much as they can, maybe even start to identify which sectors seem most crucial to kickstart the economy and let those start up again first.
 
campionesidd

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Seven said:
My solution now seems impossible. Enforce social distancing, try to provide as much face masks to everyone (of course they help, who are we fooling?) and let people go to work as much as they can, maybe even start to identify which sectors seem most crucial to kickstart the economy and let those start up again first.
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That ship has sailed a long time ago. If governments around the world were more proactive in screening patients, and banning people coming in from China, we would never be in this position.
This is now a disaster and locking everything down is the only solution.
 
Post Ironic

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IliveForJuve said:
So, a Belgian lawyer knows more than actual scientific experts
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He reminds me of those adolescents who like to loudly proclaim their super-edgy opinions mostly for shock value. But he’s no longer an adolescent, and just sounds like a complete doofus saying shit like “I’d be fine with all old people being put in concentration camps, it would even create jobs building them.” :lol2:
 
Ronn

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2477 new cases in Italy. It’s according to FI, so I’m not sure if that’s accurate.
Edit: this might be only lombardia number
 
CrimsonianKing

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Post Ironic said:
He reminds me of those adolescents who like to loudly proclaim their super-edgy opinions mostly for shock value. But he’s no longer an adolescent, and just sounds like a complete doofus saying shit like “I’d be fine with all old people being put in concentration camps, it would even create jobs building them.” :lol2:
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You know that movie where a group of people get kidnapped and wake up in a strange place like some sort of prison, not knowing how they got there and by whom. Then at some point While they’re trying to find a way to get out there’s always that know-it-all tough guy who wants to sacrifice whoever he thinks should die first but always end up dying a horrible death ? Yeah.
 
pavelnel

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Watching CNN now. There is a new test supporting the previous one from France about cloroxiocloruquobdhxjejsjwjsiwjajjs being helpful in shortening the treatment period.
Fingers crossed.

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Post Ironic

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CrimsonianKing said:
You know that movie where a group of people get kidnapped and wake up in a strange place like some sort of prison, not knowing how they got there and by whom. Then at some point While they’re trying to find a way to get out there’s always that know-it-all tough guy who wants to sacrifice whoever he thinks should die first but always end up dying a horrible death ? Yeah.
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:agree:

And absolutely no one feels bad for the guy. :boh:
 
campionesidd

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