It is early, but I really don’t see any correlation. England has universal healthcare but their response is probably the slowest. Sweden is not exactly fast either. The only success story here is South Korea.
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Been listening to a woman whos major is molecular biology while she's working in Milano in a research center of some sort. Apparently, her colleague's wife works in a hospital and was tested positive, so chances are big that he has it as well (they didn't even want to test him), she got it too, so she was told to go home for 2 weeks. Too many info so I'll narrow it down as much as possible.
- people don't realize how easy it spreads mostly because majority carries a virus for 7-14 days without realising since they don't have any symptoms and feel great. Within that period they literally infect hundreds which causes chaos later on.
- hospitals in Italy are literally filled with people while outside are tents where they select patients for treatments. Majority of the people who are sick are home since they don't have the capacity, so patients can't be taken care of unless it's a hard condition
- unexpectedly many patients (15-20%) require intensive care and usually age doesn't make a difference here since there are young people on respirators. They had some 38yo marathon runner who was on a respirator for three weeks, meaning, had it not been for a great facility he would have died as well, which is a huge problem for lesser countries
- there's a law forbidding to go outside at this point UNLESS your company gave you a card with authorisation. So, if police or military stops you and you don't have that, chances are huge you're getting a big fine. Same goes for even small groups in a park that meet, they can all get fined. They did allow going to the shop and pharmacy, unlike in China where troops bring you food and medicine on your door, not allowing to go outside
- Milan is not a huge trouble but in Bergamo the only sound you hear is church bells and ambulance going around the town as streets are empty.
- Death rate is far from being certain and known especially because those 2-3% include a great health care and intensive care (intensive care usually lasts for THREE weeks, so one "machine" is stuck with one person for 3 weeks, which is a huge trouble for countries) and, without it, % would be higher. Also, since it's a new virus, everybody can get infected. Some will have mild condition, some medium but it seems that 20% gets pneumonia. If world/country doesn't stop walking, going outside, the numbers with pneumonia will be out of control
- It depends on the country but for example Germany has a lot of beds in the intensive care so they can afford the luxury to get more patients, Italy was totally unprepared for such a huge wave
- Italy is getting huge help from private donations (they got 1.2 million from Armani, D&G, Inter, Milan... ) otherwise they'd be even more fucked up. At this point their economy is based only on health, opening temporary hospitals in order to fight it
- people don't realize how easy it spreads mostly because majority carries a virus for 7-14 days without realising since they don't have any symptoms and feel great. Within that period they literally infect hundreds which causes chaos later on.
- hospitals in Italy are literally filled with people while outside are tents where they select patients for treatments. Majority of the people who are sick are home since they don't have the capacity, so patients can't be taken care of unless it's a hard condition
- unexpectedly many patients (15-20%) require intensive care and usually age doesn't make a difference here since there are young people on respirators. They had some 38yo marathon runner who was on a respirator for three weeks, meaning, had it not been for a great facility he would have died as well, which is a huge problem for lesser countries
- there's a law forbidding to go outside at this point UNLESS your company gave you a card with authorisation. So, if police or military stops you and you don't have that, chances are huge you're getting a big fine. Same goes for even small groups in a park that meet, they can all get fined. They did allow going to the shop and pharmacy, unlike in China where troops bring you food and medicine on your door, not allowing to go outside
- Milan is not a huge trouble but in Bergamo the only sound you hear is church bells and ambulance going around the town as streets are empty.
- Death rate is far from being certain and known especially because those 2-3% include a great health care and intensive care (intensive care usually lasts for THREE weeks, so one "machine" is stuck with one person for 3 weeks, which is a huge trouble for countries) and, without it, % would be higher. Also, since it's a new virus, everybody can get infected. Some will have mild condition, some medium but it seems that 20% gets pneumonia. If world/country doesn't stop walking, going outside, the numbers with pneumonia will be out of control
- It depends on the country but for example Germany has a lot of beds in the intensive care so they can afford the luxury to get more patients, Italy was totally unprepared for such a huge wave
- Italy is getting huge help from private donations (they got 1.2 million from Armani, D&G, Inter, Milan... ) otherwise they'd be even more fucked up. At this point their economy is based only on health, opening temporary hospitals in order to fight it
There has to be some kind of resistance, at least some, because otherwise I don't know how the virus would even end. The cycle would just repeat all over if those who're recovered got corona again.
btw
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btw
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114069/
There has to be some kind of resistance, at least some, because otherwise I don't know how the virus would even end. The cycle would just repeat all over if those who're recovered got corona again.
btwhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114069/
btw
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114069/
but assuming covid-19 is like dengue without hard science behind it instead of assumption is a very stupid and dangerous game to play
Not really.
It is potentially a very effective solution. The logic is based on scientific advice they have received and appears to be that once a certain amount of people get it a resistance will be formed, people develop antibodies and there will be nobody to pass it on.
Hugely risky as there is the risk that the virus mutates and you no longer have the resistance but in the long run it could work.
Personally as a UK resident I'd prefer an approach which prevents anybody catching it. I like NZ's and Israels tactic that anybody arriving from outside the country is quarantined for 14 days, as an island it could be very effective. I suppose long term that isn't sustainable if a vaccine is not developed though.
Given that nobody seems to be able to control it who knows what is the best way to deal with this.
It is potentially a very effective solution. The logic is based on scientific advice they have received and appears to be that once a certain amount of people get it a resistance will be formed, people develop antibodies and there will be nobody to pass it on.
Hugely risky as there is the risk that the virus mutates and you no longer have the resistance but in the long run it could work.
Personally as a UK resident I'd prefer an approach which prevents anybody catching it. I like NZ's and Israels tactic that anybody arriving from outside the country is quarantined for 14 days, as an island it could be very effective. I suppose long term that isn't sustainable if a vaccine is not developed though.
Given that nobody seems to be able to control it who knows what is the best way to deal with this.
can't really fight it in that case.
