Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (183 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

I've no idea, it could be either AZ or Pfizer. I'm not bothered which one it is. I know from others that both can make you feel like shit for a day or two.

I know about two who took Pfizer and they felt like shit for 10 days with hand/leg swollen.

 

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I don't particularly see it as an ethical argument, but a common sense one in reducing numbers enough so people can lead regular lives. That someone's obese father or 85 year old granny doesn't die is an additional bonus. Who wouldn't want that? It is not a false sense to everybody, but if that is your take then fine.

Ethics, transmissibility, deaths... I just don't want the hospitals filled up and the medical staff burnt out and needing a replacements to functionally operate in a modern society -- as I witnessed two months ago.

 

[lgorTudor]

Ethics, transmissibility, deaths... I just don't want the hospitals filled up and the medical staff burnt out and needing a replacements to functionally operate in a modern society -- as I witnessed two months ago.

I don't want that either but I'm not going to consume inferior medicine to cover for the government's infrastructure failures

 

[swag]

I don't want that either but I'm not going to consume inferior medicine to cover for the government's infrastructure failures

You blame the government for what is supposedly people's voluntary behavior in a free state, amirite?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Ethics, transmissibility, deaths... I just don't want the hospitals filled up and the medical staff burnt out and needing a replacements to functionally operate in a modern society -- as I witnessed two months ago.

Then take care of your body and encourage people to do the same

 

[GordoDeCentral]

You blame the government for what is supposedly people's voluntary behavior in a free state, amirite?

Just like taking the vaccine amirite? So no vaccine passports right? Riiight?

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It seems the vast majority of EU are mostly administering Pfizer anyway. An overall reduction in vaccinations by about 15% will slow things down of course, but at least things won't be at a total standstill.

 

[swag]

Just like taking the vaccine amirite? So no vaccine passports right? Riiight?

Vaccines and Covid tests are entirely different. I can't believe how stupid people are about that. One is tested against your ability to resist mild symptoms, the other for infection. Two different things. Vaccine passports can just be justifications for traveling vaccinated asymptomatic superspreaders for all we know.

My point with IgorTudor was more he would knee-jerk react how the government should have nothing to do with how people manage themselves in a pandemic. I'm pointing out that if you think so, then the blame needs to go the same way when there are failures.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Then take care of your body and encourage people to do the same

Good luck with that. It's always easier to blame others for everything.

 

[PhRoZeN]

It seems the vast majority of EU are mostly administering Pfizer anyway. An overall reduction in vaccinations by about 15% will slow things down of course, but at least things won't be at a total standstill.

How does this compare to let's say a week or two ago before reports of clots appeared?

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

How does this compare to let's say a week or two ago before reports of clots appeared?

These are cumulative percentages. For daily numbers:
https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=/m/0345h&gl=US&ceid=US:en
https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=/m/0f8l9c&gl=US&ceid=US:en
https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=/m/03rjj&gl=US&ceid=US:en

Germany seems unphased (so far) in terms of daily vaccination numbers, but it looks like France and Italy are slowing down. I can only guess that this is why.

 

[Seven]

It seems the vast majority of EU are mostly administering Pfizer anyway. An overall reduction in vaccinations by about 15% will slow things down of course, but at least things won't be at a total standstill.

J&J's vaccine has also been approved recently and I think we're expecting much faster results now.

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[Enron]

J&J's vaccine has also been approved recently and I think we're expecting much faster results now.

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it’s a one shot as well so that will speed things up greatly

 

[Dostoevsky]

it’s a one shot as well so that will speed things up greatly

But like 65% effective.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

But like 65% effective.

That’s 65% effective against symptomatic covid. Not bad.

 

[PhRoZeN]

These are cumulative percentages. For daily numbers:
https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=/m/0345h&gl=US&ceid=US:en
https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=/m/0f8l9c&gl=US&ceid=US:en
https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=/m/03rjj&gl=US&ceid=US:en

Germany seems unphased (so far) in terms of daily vaccination numbers, but it looks like France and Italy are slowing down. I can only guess that this is why.

Thanks but I was looking for the comparison between the different types of vaccines administered.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Italy getting closed again. Even Sicily from what I've heard.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Italy getting closed again. Even Sicily from what I've heard.

Gonna keep happening until everyone's vaccinated

 

[Dostoevsky]

Gonna keep happening until everyone's vaccinated

Three scenarios imo:
1) it keeps happening despite vaccines
2) a new variant appears where vaccines don't even help and we're at the beginning
3) 2022 to be normal-ish year with covid passports etc.

Sadly I believe first two are more likely to happen.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Three scenarios imo:
1) it keeps happening despite vaccines
2) a new variant appears where vaccines don't even help and we're at the beginning
3) 2022 to be normal-ish year with covid passports etc.

Sadly I believe first two are more likely to happen.

Sounds like a scifi dystopia