Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (49 Viewers)

[Buck Fuddy]

And that’s the issue with the “anti-mask” crowd. Even if you personally “feel” masks don’t work, the studies suggesting they do work and having businesses open and running should be incentive enough to just wear the fucking mask when and where required anyways.

The mask situation is funny though.

I am convinced that they work (in theory at least) in certain situations, locations, etc.
And yet they don't seem to have any impact on the pandemic as a whole. If you compare countries were mask are commonplace with countries where they aren't, I mean.

I don't know, maybe that's my own perspective as a Belgian. But we are, once again, among the absolute worst countries (relative to the size of the population) with our numbers being absolutely "impressive".
And at the same time, we have pretty much the most strict rules in terms of mask use: basically mandatory everywhere, both indoors (in every public place, company, store, ...) & outdoors in busy places (which is essentially everywhere except in the middle of nowhere).

 

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[Post Ironic]

The mask situation is funny though.

I am convinced that they work (in theory at least) in certain situations, locations, etc.
And yet they don't seem to have any impact on the pandemic as a whole. If you compare countries were mask are commonplace with countries where they aren't, I mean.

I don't know, maybe that's my own perspective as a Belgian. But we are, once again, among the absolute worst countries (relative to the size of the population) with our numbers being absolutely "impressive".
And at the same time, we have pretty much the most strict rules in terms of mask use: basically mandatory everywhere, both indoors (in every public place, company, store, ...) & outdoors in busy places (which is essentially everywhere except in the middle of nowhere).

I doubt masks are more than minimally helpful. But I think you add up a bunch of minimal interventions and you arrive at a pretty significant reduction in spread. So more frequent hand-washing/sanitizing plus social distancing plus large gathering restrictions plus mask wearing plus aggressive testing and contact tracing... all add together to something significant when each individual thing doesn’t make a huge difference alone. And it seems the countries / areas that have done best in limiting this are the ones that have come up with the best comprehensive strategies combining all those things and have actually gotten the populace to buy in.

One of the problems with masks specifically is they require basically everyone to wear them, to wear them properly, and to actually use masks that do something. Regardless though, even if they just limit/slow spread by 10% it’s worth implementing.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I doubt masks are more than minimally helpful. But I think you add up a bunch of minimal interventions and you arrive at a pretty significant reduction in spread. So more frequent hand-washing/sanitizing plus social distancing plus large gathering restrictions plus mask wearing plus aggressive testing and contact tracing... all add together to something significant when each individual thing doesn’t make a huge difference alone. And it seems the countries / areas that have done best in limiting this are the ones that have come up with the best comprehensive strategies combining all those things and have actually gotten the populace to buy in.

One of the problems with masks specifically is they require basically everyone to wear them, to wear them properly, and to actually use masks that do something. Regardless though, even if they just limit/slow spread by 10% it’s worth implementing.

I don't know. Like I said, in theory, it should work. But it doesn't seem to in practice.

As for how much impact the masks specifically could have: I recall when they became mandatory pretty much everywhere over here in the second half of July, that one of our leading scientists said that the masks would have about a 1% impact. Which, at the time, seemed rather low obviously. But it was sold as being the "finishing touch".

Today, I honestly believe the number is closer to 0% than it is to 1%. The numbers just don't add up. Not at all. Hell, going by our numbers, the impact seems to be negative, which makes absolutely zero sense.

Maybe it's the false sense of security you get while you're wearing them,. Or maybe not wearing them correctly plays a big part after all. Still seems very unlikely to me though.

 

[Post Ironic]

I don't know. Like I said, in theory, it should work. But it doesn't seem to in practice.

As for how much impact the masks specifically could have: I recall when they became mandatory pretty much everywhere over here in the second half of July, that one of our leading scientists said that the masks would have about a 1% impact. Which, at the time, seemed rather low obviously. But it was sold as being the "finishing touch".

Today, I honestly believe the number is closer to 0% than it is to 1%. The numbers just don't add up. Not at all. Hell, going by our numbers, the impact seems to be negative, which makes absolutely zero sense.

Maybe it's the false sense of security you get while you're wearing them,. Or maybe not wearing them correctly plays a big part after all. Still seems very unlikely to me though.

I mean, it seems to have mostly worked very well in practice in places like South Korea and Japan... so... it’s hard to say what’s going on in Belgium, or other first world hotspots that are being hit hard again.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I mean, it seems to have mostly worked very well in practice in places like South Korea and Japan... so... it’s hard to say what’s going on in Belgium, or other first world hotspots that are being hit hard again.

Well, we are a failed state.

 

[Dostoevsky]

@Raphaël so you guys have a curfew? lol. I read from 21h till 06h.

Crazy. I guess we're witnessing the worst mess. IMO this shit surely won't stop before April.

People are going to end up on meds. I also expect the biggest economic meltdown, huge unemployment rate and companies shutting down. The after effect of corona are going to be much worse than corona itself. I don't expect much (if any) government help, nor companies are willing to take the aid package if they put clause on how they can't fire people for 3-6 months. So yeah, I do expect a shirtstorm coming from November and biggest crash ain't gonna be corona.

 

[il brutto]

In addition to that it was an agreement with Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden to treat the pandemic as we doing and they all started the same way. Then panic took over in the neighbouring countries.

Can't speak about the other countries, but that's not true for Finland. The plan was always to use all the available measures to slow down the spreading of the virus. They did stress about the importance of timing each measure right though. So in essence they didn't want to use too drastic measures if it wasn't seen as absolutely necessary.

 

[JCK]

Can't speak about the other countries, but that's not true for Finland. The plan was always to use all the available measures to slow down the spreading of the virus. They did stress about the importance of timing each measure right though. So in essence they didn't want to use too drastic measures if it wasn't seen as absolutely necessary.

That's exactly how it was agreed upon. What counts as absolutely necessary was the disagreement.

 

[il brutto]

That's exactly how it was agreed upon. What counts as absolutely necessary was the disagreement.

Agree.

At least In our constitution there are some competing sections that make this difficult. Basically it comes down to how much you're willing to limit other liberties in order to protect your citizens right to live and the right to health.

 

[Bjerknes]

DC "officials" now saying if you leave the district to go pretty much anywhere you need to quarantine for two weeks. Good luck with that.

 

[Monty]

The usage of commas, dots etc. is almost terrible as your beliefs.

 

[swag]

Funnily enough, 8 months into the pandemic, regional health authorities in Sweden have been given permission to institute local lockdowns...

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...has-failed-but-nobody-will-admit-it-1.5767967

They also finally jacked their testing rates up to a reasonable level over the last couple months.

I think their policies now, alongside more testing have improved. They’ve found a more middle ground between their initial catastrophic laissez-faire response and the over the top lock everything down responses. Sadly, if they had instituted these better policies from the beginning on testing, tracing, and guidances on distancing, mask-wearing by health professionals, etc... they’d probably be down closer to their Neighbour’s death rates of ~100/million instead of up at ~600/million

I think what people also forget is that Sweden's approach was to also show greater trust in people to do the right thing instead of legislate that from the outset. That strategy would never work in the US, where residents would just as soon see their neighbor's house burn down so that they can have an easier time parking their car. People really don't give a rat's ass about public health: that's simply called "your problem, not mine".

It's no wonder why they're calling Swedes socialists.

That's not what I'm praising them for

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Hm, people in such countries must be terrified by now. I guess they're all locked inside, staying safe from the virus?

So we're awaiting a vaccine of which we don't when or if it will arrive?

Vaccine ain't doing crap. Limited distribution, efficacy, adoption, and half life to virus mutations. If there is any mouthbreather waiting for the clouds to part and a light to shine in to tell them that COVID19 is over, they're going to die waiting. IMO, this virus is likely going to be with us for the rest of our lives so you better buckle up. It might mutate for better spread but less fatality, edging it ever closer to the A and B flu strains over time.

The mask situation is funny though.

I am convinced that they work (in theory at least) in certain situations, locations, etc.
And yet they don't seem to have any impact on the pandemic as a whole. If you compare countries were mask are commonplace with countries where they aren't, I mean.

I don't know, maybe that's my own perspective as a Belgian. But we are, once again, among the absolute worst countries (relative to the size of the population) with our numbers being absolutely "impressive".
And at the same time, we have pretty much the most strict rules in terms of mask use: basically mandatory everywhere, both indoors (in every public place, company, store, ...) & outdoors in busy places (which is essentially everywhere except in the middle of nowhere).

Another thing I don't get about all this mask business. Asia figured out the mask thing 17 years ago with Sars-COV-1. We've got Sars-COV-2, and we act like nobody has ever had to face a virus spread with masks before.

If it's new to you, I guess that's a full excuse to be ignorant.

 

[Raphaël]

@Raphaël so you guys have a curfew? lol. I read from 21h till 06h.

Crazy. I guess we're witnessing the worst mess. IMO this shit surely won't stop before April.

People are going to end up on meds. I also expect the biggest economic meltdown, huge unemployment rate and companies shutting down. The after effect of corona are going to be much worse than corona itself. I don't expect much (if any) government help, nor companies are willing to take the aid package if they put clause on how they can't fire people for 3-6 months. So yeah, I do expect a shirtstorm coming from November and biggest crash ain't gonna be corona.

For 2 weeks, bars and cafes have been completely closed, and restaurants are allowed to open until 9 p.m. Yesterday They just extended the curfew to other departements, then afterwards they will lower the curfew to 7pm, then I feel that it will be confinement again.

In my company all the people who have kids are going to go crazy if they have to handle their kids again and do their job, physically they have been affected.

 

[Bjerknes]

In terms of pandemics, this does seem to be a bit of a hoax one.


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Another thing I don't get about all this mask business. Asia figured out the mask thing 17 years ago with Sars-COV-1. We've got Sars-COV-2, and we act like nobody has ever had to face a virus spread with masks before.

If it's new to you, I guess that's a full excuse to be ignorant.

Yes, I agree. The mask stuff is stupid. Of course it helps to some degree. But we shouldn't be praising Asia for their experience in wearing masks; instead we should ask why they're always creating fucking viruses.

 

[Pegi]

In terms of pandemics, this does seem to be a bit of a hoax one.


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Yes, I agree. The mask stuff is stupid. Of course it helps to some degree. But we shouldn't be praising Asia for their experience in wearing masks; instead we should ask why they're always creating fucking viruses.

It's an internet driven virus, that has caught such an massive attention that it makes it "deadly".

Nothing else.

 

[DAiDEViL]

In terms of pandemics, this does seem to be a bit of a hoax one.

Yes. Compare Corona in 2020 to diseases like the black plague, times in which people would think it spreads through bad smell.

About the asians creating viruses, you know where the spanish flu came from for example?

 

[il brutto]

Yes. Compare Corona in 2020 to diseases like the black plague, times in which people would think it spreads through bad smell.

True. Also I'm not sure how someone can look at that list and those numbers and come to a conclusion that COVID isn't a big deal. It's on that list precisicely because it's a big deal.

 

[K.O.]

2 months ago, my brother's friend lost his life at only 26 years old to Covid. He was diabetic but lived all his life not having a real issue with it. Used to workout a lot, play sports and all. It started with a fever and escalated very very quickly and he was in an ICU induced coma in less than a week.

If you are a cunt that doesn't care about other human beings who could be diabetic, have heart or lung diseases. Then, yes Covid is not that serious.

 

[abstract]

In terms of pandemics, this does seem to be a bit of a hoax one.


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Yes, I agree. The mask stuff is stupid. Of course it helps to some degree. But we shouldn't be praising Asia for their experience in wearing masks; instead we should ask why they're always creating fucking viruses.

you fucking moron

 

[Pegi]

True. Also I'm not sure how someone can look at that list and those numbers and come to a conclusion that COVID isn't a big deal. It's on that list precisicely because it's a big deal.

It's a big deal because it cancels the games.