Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (52 Viewers)

[Enron]

Early CDC reports said 14% hospitalized and 2% ICU of 20-44 age group.

21% hospitalized and 5.4% ICU of 45-54.

20% hospitalized and 5% ICU of 55-64

US has over two hundred million people between 20-65. If you don’t limit the spread of this and allow 80+ percent of the population to get it this year, at ~3-4% of 20-64 year olds needing ICU, that’s 6-8 million people. Good luck with that

And that completely ignores 65+. Not just 80+

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https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21190033/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-age

Then you factor in nations like Bolivia, where they have 4 ventilators for the entire nation.

 

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[acmilan]

A special shout out to my buddy from grad school for his work on pandemics modeling as part of the Network Science Institute at Northeastern U. They got a mention at the WH briefing today
That group, and quite a few others, have been working around the clock for weeks now after being pulled from their day-to-day research and tasked with projecting the outcome of the pandemic, in spite of the lack of enough and useful data.
Hopefully their results/projections will come useful in bringing some sense to people out there, including Trump the twat, and bring into focus the extreme seriousness of this situation.

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770+ deaths in one day wtf

For the US alone? what source are you using?

 

[Mokku]

For all I care you send all people above 60 to improvised concentration camps. Hell, it would probably boost the economy by having to pay people to build them.

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That's cold blooded, your parents will soon be old and high risk. I'm a scientist, I work closely with medics and my wife is a clinical psychologist for the NHS. We'd never abandon the vulnerable.

 

[lgorTudor]

That's cold blooded, your parents will soon be old and high risk. I'm a scientist, I work closely with medics and my wife is a clinical psychologist for the NHS. We'd never abandon the vulnerable.

It's perfectly fine, the camp will have doctors - on top of (experimental) scientists

 

[acmilan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html

https://www.propublica.org/article/...e-company-is-selling-versions-of-it-overseas-

 

[X Æ A-12]

A special shout out to my buddy from grad school for his work on pandemics modeling as part of the Network Science Institute at Northeastern U. They got a mention at the WH briefing today
That group, and quite a few others, have been working around the clock for weeks now after being pulled from their day-to-day research and tasked with projecting the outcome of the pandemic, in spite of the lack of enough and useful data.
Hopefully their results/projections will come useful in bringing some sense to people out there, including Trump the twat, and bring into focus the extreme seriousness of this situation.

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For the US alone? what source are you using?

it was on CNN

 

[acmilan]

Free market economy

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ig-paydays-in-a-frenzied-market-idUSKBN21I32E

Brian Kolfage, a Florida military veteran, recently convinced Americans to donate millions of dollars for a privately built wall on the U.S. southern border. Now he has jumped into a new venture: hawking millions of protective face masks that are in critically short supply during the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/202...s-health-coronavirus-trump-generalmotors.html

Trump, who has been on the defensive for not moving faster to compel the production of medical equipment, for the first time invoked the Defense Production Act, saying GM was not moving quickly enough even though earlier on Friday the largest U.S. automaker announced it would begin building ventilators in the coming weeks.

 

[Nomuken]

 

[IliveForJuve]

One of them actually tested positive for Covid 19 a few days ago and is quite sick.

Of course they are worried. Everyone is worried. My mom said this would be a disaster a month ago and there's no denying that it is a disaster in any sense of the world. Mostly though they are worried about the virus mutating and becoming more deadly.

But destroying the economic prospects of young people isn't helpful.

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You think the economy will be able to function in this crisis? Probably not. We might as well just save as many lives as possible.

 

[acmilan]

it was on CNN

Looks like we are gonna pass the 25K mark for new cases today. Let's hope the peak isn't weeks away ...

 

[ALC]

According to @Seven, let all old people die and then what? Throw em in the backyard I guess? Teach the kids how decomposition works or something. Maybe even open them up so they can see how organs work.

Fun for the whole family! And if any young people die, throw em there too, why the fuck not?

 

[CrimsonianKing]

For a moment I though it was Zach posting that shit. Is it a Belgian thing?

 

[ALC]

For a moment I though it was Zach posting that shit. Is it a Belgian thing?

yeah, it’s gotta be.

Because the economy will stay humming as usual if up to 3% of people die off. No biggie.

 

[Ronn]

That's cold blooded, your parents will soon be old and high risk. I'm a scientist, I work closely with medics and my wife is a clinical psychologist for the NHS. We'd never abandon the vulnerable.

Even if they are lawyers?

 

[Post Ironic]

yeah, it’s gotta be.

Because the economy will stay humming as usual if up to 3% of people die off. No biggie.

It’s such bizarre logic. And ignored that below his cutoff age of 80 beyond which we should let everyone just die a slow, painful untreated death, up to 5% of cases are critical and require ICU. Does he really believe that any health care system in this world can handle that? If we let this spread like wildfire through 80-90% of the Population this year, and let’s say Below 80 15% need hospitalization and 4% need to go in the ICU on a ventilator... and 0.5% die. That’s going to be around a million deaths, 10 million people in America in the ICU and another 30-40 million hospitalized. I’m sure the economy shall be fantastic with this happening.

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it was on CNN

The Covid-19 tracking project which counts from 4pm est to 4pm est each day, US had 807 deaths in their last 24 hour period and 24,240 new positive cases

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It’s such bizarre logic. And ignored that below his cutoff age of 80 beyond which we should let everyone just die a slow, painful untreated death, up to 5% of cases are critical and require ICU. Does he really believe that any health care system in this world can handle that? If we let this spread like wildfire through 80-90% of the Population this year, and let’s say Below 80 15% need hospitalization and 4% need to go in the ICU on a ventilator... and 0.5% die. That’s going to be around a million deaths, 10 million people in America in the ICU and another 30-40 million hospitalized. I’m sure the economy shall be fantastic with this happening.

Actually in a cold and callous approach, it will no doubt be beneficial to shed off the books an ageing unproductive and non tax paying group which puts a lot of stress on govt health care spending and forces higher taxation to meet pension needs, what seven is saying is that what we have been witnessing so far is not the norm, we are not supposed to be living that long and what we are witnessing right now is more the norm.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Also @Post Ironic

 

[Post Ironic]

Actually in a cold and callous approach, it will no doubt be beneficial to shed off the books an ageing unproductive and non tax paying group which puts a lot of stress on govt health care spending and forces higher taxation to meet pension needs, what seven is saying is that what we have been witnessing so far is not the norm, we are not supposed to be living that long and what we are witnessing right now is more the norm.

The norm does change over time though, through science and modern medicine. So we have been living longer and longer for some time now and preventing such things as this pandemic. I do think there is an unhealthy obsession with living too long, so I do agree with you to an extent.

I’m actually of the opinion that we shouldn’t do as much as we do to keep the elderly alive in many cases, just not all. And I don’t really believe that we should just abandon all 80+ year olds to suffer painfully and die here like he suggested(and with his idea of just letting this freely spread, he’d need to abandon pretty much everyone over 65-70 to avoid completely overwhelming the health care system).

Do I think we should attempt to save every single person? No... not at all. An already unhealthy senior, with multiple complications, should be ready and prepared for death at this point, and aside from maybe helping ease their suffering/euthanasia, resources should not be dedicated to trying to prolong their lives. Conversely, a healthy, active 70-90 year old, should be looked after by our health care system in an event like this one.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I’m actually of the opinion that we shouldn’t do as much as we do to keep the elderly alive in many cases, just not all. And I don’t really believe that we should just abandon all 80+ year olds to suffer painfully and die here like he suggested(and with his idea of just letting this freely spread, he’d need to abandon pretty much everyone over 65-70 to avoid completely overwhelming the health care system).

Do I think we should attempt to save every single person? No... not at all. An already unhealthy senior, with multiple complications, should be ready and prepared for death at this point, and aside from maybe helping ease their suffering/euthanasia, resources should not be dedicated to trying to prolong their lives. Conversely, a healthy, active 70-90 year old, should be looked after by our health care system in an event like this one.

Watch the video

As for my personal opinion, the onus is on the older or sick person to isolate imo and if they are lacking in resources then the govt needs to step in.

This whole thing reminds me of flash floods, there's nothing you can really do and it would be silly to dedicate resources to get the water out of the way so you just deal with it.

 

[Post Ironic]

Watch the video

As for my personal opinion, the onus is on the older or sick person to isolate imo and if they are lacking in resources then the govt needs to step in.

This whole thing reminds me of flash floods, there's nothing you can really do and it would be silly to dedicate resources to get the water out of the way so you just deal with it.

Loved the video, by ze way. Thank you for sharing.

I agree with you, that the onus to isolate and keep safe should be on the elderly and immunocompromised (community support can help here with this), and then given the hospitalization/ICU rates in other age groups here, selective closures/stay at home orders, etc would hopefully do, while keeping majority of businesses open and going at a perhaps reduced productivity for a time.