Claudio Ranieri (64 Viewers)

dogsarecute

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He might have won if Abramovich had given him the chance. Ranieri finished above Alex Ferguson's team remember? The other teams he managed had no real chance of winning anything so that "losing mentality" is sadly overrated.
 

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Nov 26, 2006
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He might have won if Abramovich had given him the chance. Ranieri finished above Alex Ferguson's team remember? The other teams he managed had no real chance of winning anything so that "losing mentality" is sadly overrated.
That is all true.

I think that Ranieri has basically done okay, but one thing really concerns me about Ranieri and the current team: why did we keep failing to win when we had the chance to close the gap on Inter?

It does make one question their mental strength.
 

GordoDeCentral

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If ranieri is replaced, we should give the team to someone who will build it up from scratch. It would be the end of an era in so many respects. This hold/dependence what ever you want to call it that Alex has on the team needs to be addressed by our next coach. If gio is to stay with us next year he HAS to start ahead of Alex; we need to think ahead.
 

Bjerknes

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He might have won if Abramovich had given him the chance. Ranieri finished above Alex Ferguson's team remember? The other teams he managed had no real chance of winning anything so that "losing mentality" is sadly overrated.
So if his other teams didn't have a chance of winning, doesn't that make his "great team builder" status meaningless? I mean, a team built well should have a chance to win. If not then Ranieri may not be a loser but rather just an average coach who hasn't really done anything in his career, including build good teams.

Judging by your signature, the Lippi comment and how you applaud Ranieri for finishing above Ferguson in one season, I'd say you're a very delusional fan who's simply trying to defend Ranieri no matter what.

And if so, you should cut it the fuck out because you're looking extremely foolish.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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@ Canardo:

Hard to say off the top of the head. But there is certain criteria a club in Juve's position should look for. Juve are in a transitional faze between and old guard and what is yet to come. They need a manager with three things:

1)Energy, someone with a passion who realizes that he will have to earn success and not expect the opposition (Milans etc) to just give it to them. A motivator of sorts.
2)A builder. A manager willing to invest time and effort in building a successful club, not just a first team build on overpriced talent. Planting a scouting system to get not only the best talent in Italy but also in the world. He needs to have a vision of an identity not just for that season or the next, but for 5 seasons later after his contract is run.
3)Obvious tactical talent. The first two mean nothing if the manager can't make snap decisions during matches. He needs to know the players and their capabilities, so he can make adjustments and realize when someone is just not going to perform.

I don't think Ranieri is any of those things. But I really can recall anyone who is either straight off.
 

GordoDeCentral

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@ Canardo:

Hard to say off the top of the head. But there is certain criteria a club in Juve's position should look for. Juve are in a transitional faze between and old guard and what is yet to come. They need a manager with three things:

1)Energy, someone with a passion who realizes that he will have to earn success and not expect the opposition (Milans etc) to just give it to them. A motivator of sorts.
2)A builder. A manager willing to invest time and effort in building a successful club, not just a first team build on overpriced talent. He needs to have a vision of an identity not just for that season or the next, but for 5 seasons later after his contract is run.
3)Obvious tactical talent. The first two mean nothing if the manager can't make snap decisions during matches. He needs to know the players and their capabilities, so he can make adjustments and realize when someone is just not going to perform.

I don't think Ranieri is any of those things. But I really can recall anyone who is either straight off.

i agree with all thats needed, but i really was interested in a name :D
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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Gasperini is my pick. Knows all our good youngsters, motivated, doesn't stick to one formation...No experience but I'd prefer him over that unmotivated face of Spalletti.
 

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Nov 26, 2006
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If ranieri is replaced, we should give the team to someone who will build it up from scratch. It would be the end of an era in so many respects. This hold/dependence what ever you want to call it that Alex has on the team needs to be addressed by our next coach. If gio is to stay with us next year he HAS to start ahead of Alex; we need to think ahead.
Del Piero certianly needs to be rotated better.

However, I think he will do better when we get a Nedved replacement and if Camo stays fit because he would be burdened with the task of sole creater.

What happened to Lippi in Inter? No one is perfect.
Do not compare Ranieri to Sir Alex.

Ferguson had won 2 European trophies, 3 league titles, 4 Scottish Cups and a League Cup before Ranieri even started coaching and Ranieri hasn't exactly been racking up the trophies in his career.
 

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Gasperini is my pick. Knows all our good youngsters, motivated, doesn't stick to one formation...No experience but I'd prefer him over that unmotivated face of Spalletti.
Gasperini would be the best option of the current Serie A coaches.
 

GordoDeCentral

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I would think of young up and comers. I don't know Serie A too well. :D
ok then Ranieri stays :D

Gasperini is my pick. Knows all our good youngsters, motivated, doesn't stick to one formation...No experience but I'd prefer him over that unmotivated face of Spalletti.
ok this is a contradiction in reasoning, we want ranieri out because hes not a winner for not winning enough :D so we get someone with less winning history??


Del Piero certianly needs to be rotated better.

However, I think he will do better when we get a Nedved replacement and if Camo stays fit because he would be burdened with the task of sole creater.

No i think our dependence on Alex is a lot worse and needs to be addressed first as with the long absences of camo the last 2 years hes been our only creative spark. And if Gio is really his successor for us he needs to get regular playing time pronto.
 

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