Claudio Ranieri (54 Viewers)

[rb77]

ranieri is a dumbass!! never once has ranieri outwitted a coach, not once. and i have always said it and will always say it, when we played well during these 2 years, and when we beat real madrid, and when we showed heart against chelsea, it wasnt ranieri or his tactics, it was the heart of the OLD GUARD!!

 

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[A_LAcki]

What about the wins against the big teams last season???

 

[rb77]

please dont tell me that ranieri won us those matches?

 

[Red]

ranieri is a dumbass!! never once has ranieri outwitted a coach, not once. and i have always said it and will always say it, when we played well during these 2 years, and when we beat real madrid, and when we showed heart against chelsea, it wasnt ranieri or his tactics, it was the heart of the OLD GUARD!!

I thought it was obvious to everyone that when we lost it was Ranieri's fault, but when we won it had nothing to do with him.

 

[Bozi]

ranieri is a dumbass!! never once has ranieri outwitted a coach, not once. and i have always said it and will always say it, when we played well during these 2 years, and when we beat real madrid, and when we showed heart against chelsea, it wasnt ranieri or his tactics, it was the heart of the OLD GUARD!!

so...when we play well, win well and get a great victory it is simply down to the experienced players, their hearts,tactical awareness and passion and has nothing to do with the coach

but

when we lose or drop silly points it is NOT down to the experienced players and simply down to teh coach?

 

[icemaη]

Thats correct Mr. Robert. An experienced veteran such as yourself should have figured that out by now.

 

[rb77]

im not saying that at all...i have never once ever backed ranieri, and i have accepted the fact that we are not a powerhouse team anymore, so we are more open to losses than to wins. and we do win over the big teams, its not ranieris tactics, its their motivation over the big teams, and when we lose its down to ranieri and to the players as well, but when we play against chievo or genoa or regina our motivation is not the same when we play milan or inter or roma. we dont have the squad and we dont have the coach, but i bet you that a better coach with this sqaud would not have lost so many opportunities to close the gap! and plus everyone knows that when ranieri is tied he doesnt go for the win "loser mentality", which he is implanting on our players

 

[Bozi]

so.....when we play Chievo and the big name players don't have the motivation to perform, than that is Ranieri's fault? if they cannot get themselves up for EVERY game then,to use a well worn-out phrase, they ain't Juve material

 

[rb77]

when we played chievo we didnt play bad, we played really good! we werent lacking motivation, we were lacking quality at the back line. what im trying to say is that the problem we are in isnt just about ranieri's tactics, its about him in general. why did we lose 2 points against chievo? it was because of our backline. who had a hand in bringing the backline? ranieri. the problems we are in is because of the quality of players, the board's decision, ranieri's tactics and much more. im saying all are to blame, but ranieri has to be blamed the most.

 

[Bozi]

well of course he does, how else can you constantly bitch and moan about the man?

seriously i remember how we all used to laugh at Inter fans for the way they acted, the way they always had to blame someone,anyone,usually their coach, for their shortcomings, for their lack of a winning mentality and their belief that they had a divine right to win everything, it's not so funny when the shoe is on the other foot though and i think a lot of people here need a reality check

 

[rb77]

boz..u need to face reality.

we are not the same team anymore, the tied has really turned. inter are the juve of 4 years ago and we are inter of 4 years ago. we need a change.

 

[Red]

So you want Juve to make the same mistakes Inter used to?

 

[A_LAcki]

boz..u need to face reality.

we are not the same team anymore, the tied has really turned. inter are the juve of 4 years ago and we are inter of 4 years ago. we need a change.

We were a team with a bunch of cunts, our president is the devil and we always sucked in the CL?? Interesting.... I missed that!

 

[rb77]

i want juve to be juve again..

 

[Bozi]

we all do, but it is pointless sacking a coach when we do not get instant gratification, we do atht then we will go round in circles forever. there is a reason that the most successful sides allow their coaches time to BUILD a team,SHAPE their players into a system,LEARN from their mistakes and then GUIDE them to success. liverpool,arsenal,everton and man united are all great examples of what can happen when you give a coach time to get it right

 

[A_LAcki]

we all do, but it is pointless sacking a coach when we do not get instant gratification, we do atht then we will go round in circles forever. there is a reason that the most successful sides allow their coaches time to BUILD a team,SHAPE their players into a system,LEARN from their mistakes and then GUIDE them to success. liverpool,arsenal,everton and man united are all great examples of what can happen when you give a coach time to get it right

merci! very well said!

Pointing the finger at the coach after every loose and screaming for his releasment is an Abramovic thing, I hate in football!

 

[rb77]

ok..i totally agree with you a 100%. but when will we learn?? how many times this year we were so close to closing the gap to inter and we failed? its been 2 years now and we are still re-building, we are not bat, but we are not used to this, so ok, we will be patient and wait, we have to see how ranieri and the board used the summer transfer market, because you cant re-build with the kind of players they are getting..right?

 

[Rollie]

Even my grandmother would have won those titles with Ronaldinho in his prime, Messi, Eto'o..... I can't see him coming here, especially since he would love to coach Milan, not Juve.

But she didn't... Rijkaard did. If your Grams had coached those teams, I might be suggesting that she was a quality coach right now...


I agree that there is basically zero chance in hell that Rijkaard would ever join Juventus (Or that our BOD would splash out the type of salary that he would likely require).

wonder what woud have happened if Barca has gotten Beckham instead of settling for Ronaldinho

This is always a legitimate comment, as we're talking about a two time European player of the year. It's highly likely (read: surely) that the trophy haul would have been diminished. It's also fair to question Rijkaard's usage of Henry, as well as some other decisions he made. We can always second guess coaches - it's part of being a football fan.

However, there have been plenty of phenomenal teams that have failed to lift a CL trophy. The substitutions Rijkaard made late in that Final against Arsenal could not have worked any better. That team was less than 20 minutes away from losing, and ended up pulling that game out. Not because of Ronnie either, although Eto'o popped the equalizer if I remember correctly... Henrik Larsson was on FIRE. A couple of my friends were almost in tears, it was such a harsh defeat for them...

I know Barcelona was in a mess when Rijkaard left (also largely because of Ronaldhino, which people often tend to omit in these types of discussion), but I still think he deserves respect for the trophies he helped that team win. I do think he'll coach another big team in the future.

Anyways, hopefully Claudio breaks his duck with the Coppa Italia, and next season he can bring us a Scudetto, and a deep run in the CL. For better or worse, he'll be our coach until 2010 (at the very least).

 

[Bozi]

ok..i totally agree with you a 100%. but when will we learn?? how many times this year we were so close to closing the gap to inter and we failed? its been 2 years now and we are still re-building, we are not bat, but we are not used to this, so ok, we will be patient and wait, we have to see how ranieri and the board used the summer transfer market, because you cant re-build with the kind of players they are getting..right?

ranieri has proved to be a very capable BUILDER of squads, lets see who we buy in the summer, if we do not progress next year then i will surely be more vocal in criticism, but since we came up we have improved our league position both years despite having a limited squad. next year should be when we buy the quality we need to really kick on and challenge for the scudetto, this year was just too early for us and it will be far easier to tempt quality players now that we have confirmed we are serious players again

 

[rb77]

ranieri has proved to be a very capable BUILDER of squads, lets see who we buy in the summer, if we do not progress next year then i will surely be more vocal in criticism, but since we came up we have improved our league position both years despite having a limited squad. next year should be when we buy the quality we need to really kick on and challenge for the scudetto, this year was just too early for us and it will be far easier to tempt quality players now that we have confirmed we are serious players again

agreed..same point of view!! thats exactly what i am saying, this summer we SHOULD bring in wc players in the RIGHT positions and next year we should be serious contenders for all honors.