Claudio Ranieri (64 Viewers)

Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
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You talk about the looser Ranieri is, and come up with those names.....

what have those guys done so far???? They are 100% no upgrade to Ranieri. Not more experience, not more titles.....
Frank Rijkaard would absolutely, hands down, be an upgrade over Ranieri.

Last I checked, 2 liga titles, as well as the Champions League are pretty impressive accomplishments for a coach to have on their CV in the span of 5 years (and really, that happened in 2 years, seeing as Barcelona didn't win anything the first, or the last couple years of his stay).

The end of his time at Barca was pretty messy, complicated, and he obviously used to play for one of our rivals. All the same, I think he would definitely be a better option than Ranieri, as highly unlikely as his arrival is.
 

Vinman

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Frank Rijkaard would absolutely, hands down, be an upgrade over Ranieri.

Last I checked, 2 liga titles, as well as the Champions League are pretty impressive accomplishments for a coach to have on their CV in the span of 5 years (and really, that happened in 2 years, seeing as Barcelona didn't win anything the first, or the last couple years of his stay).

The end of his time at Barca was pretty messy, complicated, and he obviously used to play for one of our rivals. All the same, I think he would definitely be a better option than Ranieri, as highly unlikely as his arrival would seem to be.
:beer: :beer:
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Rijkaard won stuff when he had the best team in the world.

Can he win when he doesn't have the best players? Can he win without Ten Cate?

It's strange that you mention Totti's importance to the team where I see that Spaletti has no clue in creating balance between defence and attack. He may play what others call entertaining football but the defensive game is totally absent. That at several occasions his team conceded four goals says a lot. And I won't even mention last season's encounter with Manchester United (and Totti was there)
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Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
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Rijkaard won stuff when he had the best team in the world.

Can he win when he doesn't have the best players? Can he win without Ten Cate?


:tup:
This is a fair comment. However, it should be noted that more than a few of those players who formed that "best team in the world" were brought in after Rijkaard had arrived.

He was definitely quite involved in the selection process for those acquisitions, which for me, is incredibly important (although much easier to do with Barca's bankroll). Obviously there were also some very talented youth players coming through the ranks at that time that responded well to his tutelage - highlighted by the Messi monster - but I think we've got some promising youngsters that he would enjoy working with... and the cash will be flowing a little more freely again, once our stadium comes into play...

:D

Edit: Forgot to touch on Ten Cate, but you're right, he was clearly a considerable asset to Barca, and his influence should not be undervalued.
I think that was demonstrated again last year, at Chelski.

Plus, we are talking about replacing Ranieri, right? I remember watching that CL final against Arsenal with one of my best friends and his brother (both hardcore Gooners), and Rijkaard's subs in the second half really did help turn that match.

Can't really imagine such impressive moves from Ranieri, a guy who brings in Marchionni and Grygera when we desperately need goals to save the season... meanwhile Gio and Trez are wasting away on the bench.
 

dogsarecute

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Aug 7, 2008
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After Marchionni and Grygera came on, we scored the equalizing goal which was from a pass by Grygera and ricocheted to Nedved. But of course, only world-class players can assist or score goals I guess.

Prandelli, Spalletti are the same level as Ranieri in that they never managed a world-class squad.
 

Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
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After Marchionni and Grygera came on, we scored the equalizing goal which was from a pass by Grygera and ricocheted to Nedved. But of course, only world-class players can assist or score goals I guess.

Prandelli, Spalletti are the same level as Ranieri in that they never managed a world-class squad.
So you're saying that Grygera made a pass that didn't go to it's intended target? What a surprise.

Clearly I never said anything about "only world-class players" can score or assist goals... I'm not sure what you're really getting at here.

Of course, this comment is from someone who recently compared Marchionni to Cristiano Ronaldo, so I'm sorry, but I can't put much stock in it.


Bringing on Grygera and Marchionni was a sensible change in the circumstances.
Oh, c'mon Red. These two have been our worst and second worst players this season... and for me, Marchionni over Giovinco is not even close to justifiable. Plus, Ranieri didn't even use his 3rd sub!! Not even in desperation, in the final minutes...
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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What about Reja? (Anyone have an opinion of him?)


Bringing on Grygera and Marchionni was a sensible change in the circumstances.
Maybe sensible at the time...BUT no changes at HT and only using 2 subs in such an important game with 2 very talented attack minded players on the bench. That's blasphemy...Ranieri should have been tarred and feathered for that
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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Look, all considerations aside, if ranieri won the scudetto with this squad he ll be one of if not the best of coaches in juve history, to do it with all the injuries that have plagued us he d be the second coming. Ranieri deserves to get his chance for the big dance i.e a REAL challenge for the scudetto.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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There have been times this season (even this weekend) where he could have made some different tactical choices or subs that could have ended on a positive for us. I still can't get over the fact that Trez or Gio didn't step foot on the field. Sure injuries have hurt us, but he has still made some bonehead mistakes this season.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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rijkaard i would take in a heart beat but i dont see it happening, i see him going to chelsea.
prandelli would be my second choice along with mancini.
gasperini wouldnt be bad IMO, even though he hasnt really proved himself but we could take a risk on him.
 

icemaη

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rijkaard i would take in a heart beat but i dont see it happening, i see him going to chelsea.
prandelli would be my second choice along with mancini.
gasperini wouldnt be bad IMO, even though he hasnt really proved himself but we could take a risk on him.
what has Prandelli proved more than Gasperini?
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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not much other than he has been up the table more consistently that genoa...gasperini has been playing some nice football though.

Fiorentina have more to spend too, that should prolly be taken into account.
 

icemaη

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not much other than he has been up the table more consistently that genoa...gasperini has been playing some nice football though.

Fiorentina have more to spend too, that should prolly be taken into account.
Gasperini took over the team in Serie B, earned promotion the first season, then finished 10th and now is on the verge of Champions League qualification... Pretty impressive I'd say for a man who hasn't coached a side in the top flight before...
Then again you never know how he'd fare at a top club like Juventus with the 'star players' and pressure from the fans... But I'd take him over Prandelli...
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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icεmαή;1953259 said:
Gasperini took over the team in Serie B, earned promotion the first season, then finished 10th and now is on the verge of Champions League qualification... Pretty impressive I'd say for a man who hasn't coached a side in the top flight before...
Then again you never know how he'd fare at a top club like Juventus with the 'star players' and pressure from the fans... But I'd take him over Prandelli...
So did ranieri :pumpkin:
 

cimenk

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Jul 23, 2008
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Wasn't boumsong a deschamps transfer target?
but that time we are in Serie B, and we needs CB to fill Canna and Thuram position. It's hard to find player with international experience to play in Serie B..
one other thing is Boumsong didn't cost so much (4.7 mill Euros that time if i'm not wrong), than how much Newcastle spend for him (8.5 mill Pounds)... and we still can sell him to Lyon too without too much loss..

but i still think Juve's Deschamps will do better in Mercato, i remember Deschamps wants a player like Mascherano, Lass Diarra, Samuel.. who will be better than Tiago, Almiron, or Andrade
 

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