Get_to_bed_Chaz said:
Everyone needs to stop blaming Capello.
He is the best manager in the world. He bought to Juve the best defender in the world and he took Juve from third to first in the space of a season. I bet Del Piero loves being kept on his feet by Fabio deep down. He has been rejuvinated under him. Obviously Juve were crap on Tuesday but they were outclassed, the tactics worked fine against every other team this season, it was just a matter of meeting Arsenal at their unstoppable best.
Fine, get rid of Capello. But who do you want to replace him?
Get_to_bed_Chaz said:
Yeah but like I say, I believe Juventus have for a long time struggled to compete against English teams, not just in the past two years under Capello.
Capello has achieved a lot in a relatively short amount of time, and maybe next year the Champions League will go his way. You can blame the tactics as much as you like, but they have worked in most European matches this year and last, and on Tuesday he was very limited on who he could select, and was basically forced to choose the team and formation he did. Regardless, Juve were lacklustre in terms of individual performances, and not just the tactical display, and having two players sent off is an absolute disgrace. Juve lost their cool, not Capello. Capello showed faith in the players he brought out and they humiliated him, not vice versa.
EDIT: His record does not prove him to be awful in Europe. He has won the competition before and everybody seems to be forgetting Juve were nothing in Europe in the few years before Capello arrived, and at least they are safe in the last eight, which is not great progress, but it is not a step back at least, unlike what people try to make out
Get_to_bed_Chaz said:
Well, I agree the manager has to take some stick for the mentality of the performance, but he is not the first and Lippi never got this much stick when his Juve gave lacklustre, negative performances in Europe and domestically. You have to accept that teams are going to have bad days, yes this one was a very bad day, but why should Capello have to account for the fact that the only two strikers he could have played, Ibra and Trezeguet, didnt even get into the match? Why should he account for the fact Vieira was fazed by the occasion? The players let him down. Yes, maybe Juve should play more attacking in Europe, but then again I am sure Capello knows that it is defensive teams who win the Champions League. Juve have been playing like this for as long as I remember, but just because it is an ex-Roma, Milan and Real manager, you refuse to cut him some slack, and hate on him without backing it up.
Besides from playing Chiellini ahead of Zebina, which I would have done, what other changes would you have made tht would make a real difference?
Get_to_bed_Chaz said:
I'd agree Zlatan was awful but you can understand Capello keeping him on ahead of Trezeguet cause Zlatan is the more likely of the two to create a moment of magic. However, to suggest playing three people up front is audacious. Arsenal would have ripped Juve apart on the counter attack if Juve tried three up front, Capello ain't stupid. Also, when Juve were down to nine men, three up front would have definitely left the tie at three or four, at least Juve have a chance now at the 'fortress'.
you are the man! I agree wth almost what you said, and I said most of these here before. Capello is building a new era, he came after the fall of the last sucessfull era of Lippi. some people can't accept that, they still call for Lippi. Lippi did the best thing, to leave as a legend, and not as a loser. every Era has an end, and I am so proud of what Lippi had done.
But Capello, it is only his second season, he had great two seasons in Seria, and lost the first year in CL to the champions. Against that great Arsenal, sadly he couldn't do anything, thou we were playing ok , till the first goal, by closing their atacks.
The way we lost was very ugly, and I am so ashamed of that, but it is so wrong to blame all this on Capello, many players are not fit and top form, the transfer policy was all wrong this season, Vieira didn't match the expectation, to dominate the midfield with Emerson. He had a great start thou.
I hope the Juve board is realizing what is going on, and that they should do something to solve these problems. I know Capello is a great coach, no matter what everyone here says, he is a proven talent, and the whole world knows that, but he failed in europe this year. I still will stick with him, i am not a fan of changing coaches everywhile, I just can't fuckn fire a coach who is winning two scudettos in two years.
you said something which 100% correct, English teams always give Juventus problems, at least for the last decade. Lippi's time, ancelotti's and Capello's. I wanted to not draw with an english team, because they play fast, and Juve That I watched the last decade, was always slow, and can't play against the fast teams.
I don't have hopes for the second leg, but I know there are miracles in Football, I hope those miracles happens, but I am not sure it will. I am looking forward for the next season's already, hopefull some changes will occur..
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