[CL] Juventus vs Arsenal (10 Viewers)

[Henry 203 Gols.]

In my heart - 1-0 to Arsenal to go through 3-0 on Agrregate.

In my head - 2-2 on the night 4-2 on Aggregate to Mighty Arsenal. Worst case scenario 3-1 to Juve with us (Arsenal) going through on Away goals, Even on a bad night we usually score. In one of our worst recent European performances we lost 3 - 1 away which would on the night put of through.

OR 3-0 Juve and Henry to score on 92 Minutes. !!!

Anything can happen!

 

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[Henry 203 Gols.]

1 - No more extra time or penalties. You need 4 to win.

2 - You need to score 5.

3 - You need to score 6.

Basically if we score; Logically speaking: you are Facked.

BUT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!!!

FORZA ARSENAL!!!!

CMON WE CAN DO IT!!!!

 

[Tino]

I dont want to take a prediction! I can only hope, and I hope the same like I write in my post before the first game against arsenal!!

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Come on guys please make me proud of you all!!

Dont make such a first half like you all did against Bremen, or Liverpool last year! Dont come in with the "we are Juve, and the best"-attitude! Play like last year against real in the back-game or like against rome this season when we won 4-1!

Come on smash them!!
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I hope, I hope, I hope!

 

[Jem83]

I'm predicting no goals for Arsenal at Delle Alpi.
It's a good thing for us that Arsenal are so confident...Underestimating our homeground is the worst they can do.

 

[Elvin]

Yeah I should open new nick too: Del Piero 192 Gols.

 

[Vinman]

you are the man! I agree wth almost what you said, and I said most of these here before. Capello is building a new era, he came after the fall of the last sucessfull era of Lippi. some people can't accept that, they still call for Lippi. Lippi did the best thing, to leave as a legend, and not as a loser. every Era has an end, and I am so proud of what Lippi had done.

But Capello, it is only his second season, he had great two seasons in Seria, and lost the first year in CL to the champions. Against that great Arsenal, sadly he couldn't do anything, thou we were playing ok , till the first goal, by closing their atacks.

The way we lost was very ugly, and I am so ashamed of that, but it is so wrong to blame all this on Capello, many players are not fit and top form, the transfer policy was all wrong this season, Vieira didn't match the expectation, to dominate the midfield with Emerson. He had a great start thou.

I hope the Juve board is realizing what is going on, and that they should do something to solve these problems. I know Capello is a great coach, no matter what everyone here says, he is a proven talent, and the whole world knows that, but he failed in europe this year. I still will stick with him, i am not a fan of changing coaches everywhile, I just can't fuckn fire a coach who is winning two scudettos in two years.

you said something which 100% correct, English teams always give Juventus problems, at least for the last decade. Lippi's time, ancelotti's and Capello's. I wanted to not draw with an english team, because they play fast, and Juve That I watched the last decade, was always slow, and can't play against the fast teams.

I don't have hopes for the second leg, but I know there are miracles in Football, I hope those miracles happens, but I am not sure it will. I am looking forward for the next season's already, hopefull some changes will occur..

I think I'm getting sick to my stomach, reading all this bullshit

CapeLOL wil NEVER win us a CL, and with the squad he has at his disposal, we should be able to win it all right now !!

He is a 1 trick pony, his tactics are predictable, and he makes no adjustments to expose the weakness of the opponent

We have more talent than almost every other Serie A team, and this year, thats not saying too much. All other Serie A sides (with the exception of Milan) are underperforming this season, and our talent will overcome the smaller sides, who are afraid to attack us

When we face the larger sides, who show no fear, we falter, plain and simple

I hope you'll always enjoy being a flop in Europe with this idiot in charge, snoopy !!!

 

[adelove]

Definitely saved by the bell.Infact if the referee had'nt blown the full-time whistle when he did,Capello himself would have been sent off for fielding such a hapless bunch.
I've seen some absolutely appalling Juventus perfomances in my time,nevertheless;Tuesday nights display has to rank amongst the "all-time greats".Outclassed and outgunned in every area that mattered by Monsieur Wenger and his gang of "minors",we appeared to be punching in a category way above our weight.
Two goals down from the first leg,two-(maybe three depending on the Del Piero diagnosis)potential match winners missing the return.....is there any hope?
Yes there is,but turning that possibility into reality will require a super-human perfomance from ALL our players,a HUGE slice of luck and a brainwave for Don Fabio who was indubitably outfoxed by Wenger in Highbury.
As it stands we really have nothing to lose in the second leg.The odds are stacked sky-high against us,consequently our traditional counter-attacking style must be ditched.I'm looking at a 3-5-2/5-3-3 formation that goes like this:

Buffon

Thuram Cannavaro Balzaretti




Emerson
Giannichedda
Zambrotta Chiellini



Nedved


Del Piero
(Mutu/Zalayeta)

Trezeguet



Goal: Buffon(RES IPSA LOQUITOR)

Defence: I'm going with a three-man back-line so that we can free up two full-backs to support the midfield and the attack.Thuram,Cannavaro and Balzaretti would hold a tight line that moves en bloc.
Zambrotta and Chellini would fall back to double on opposing players when we lose the ball.

Midfield: Arsenal will KILL us at the Delle Alpi if we allow them space and ball possession.We need a tight/packed midfield to cover our back three,hold the ball and dictate the pace.So Emerson should play a bit deep(screening the defence) with Giannichedda a bit advanced to thread the ball through for Zambrotta,Chiellini and (particularly) Nedved(though Emo and Giannichedda can switch duties intermittently)I will not start Blasi because I'm not impressed with his ball-handling and passing(plus he tends to be rash in the tackle).
Zambrotta and Chiellini should overlap,cross/pass to our forwards and shoot for goal when they find the spaces.
Nedved should have an advanced role in midfield where he can probe the Arsenal backline,thread balls through to our forwards and unleash the rockets in his uhlsport boots!(we missed him in that first leg and I do hope we have not frittered away his last Champions league gold medal opportunity!)

Attack: If Del Piero is fit he should start with Trezeguet.If not then Mutu or Zalayeta should take his place.Ibrahimovic MUST NOT start!!We've seen enough of his "magic" !!!

Arsenal cruise when they dictate the flow.Therefore we have to keep possession and control the pace.We need at least 15 players operating at a 110% for next week's game.Let's rest Nedved,Emerson,Buffon,Thuram,Zambrotta and Chiellini against Treviso this weekend(Vieira,Camoranesi,Zebina,Ibrahimovic,Zalayeta,Pessotto,Kovac,Blasi,Birindelli,Abbiati and Oliveira should make up our first eleven)so they can be fresh for "The Return".
It's going to be VERY difficult,but I don't think it is impossible.
NEVER GIVE UP ON THE OLD LADY!

 

[Henry 203 Gols.]

HA!!!

Bollox!!

Not true!!

Henry
Wenger
Fabregas
Toure

ALL STATED THE GAME IS ONLY HALF OVER - THEY ARE NO WAY ARROGANT TO THE FACT WE HAVE TO PLAY AGAIN.

 

[denco]

you are the man! I agree wth almost what you said, and I said most of these here before. Capello is building a new era, he came after the fall of the last sucessfull era of Lippi. some people can't accept that, they still call for Lippi. Lippi did the best thing, to leave as a legend, and not as a loser. every Era has an end, and I am so proud of what Lippi had done.

But Capello, it is only his second season, he had great two seasons in Seria, and lost the first year in CL to the champions. Against that great Arsenal, sadly he couldn't do anything, thou we were playing ok , till the first goal, by closing their atacks.

The way we lost was very ugly, and I am so ashamed of that, but it is so wrong to blame all this on Capello, many players are not fit and top form, the transfer policy was all wrong this season, Vieira didn't match the expectation, to dominate the midfield with Emerson. He had a great start thou.

I hope the Juve board is realizing what is going on, and that they should do something to solve these problems. I know Capello is a great coach, no matter what everyone here says, he is a proven talent, and the whole world knows that, but he failed in europe this year. I still will stick with him, i am not a fan of changing coaches everywhile, I just can't fuckn fire a coach who is winning two scudettos in two years.

you said something which 100% correct, English teams always give Juventus problems, at least for the last decade. Lippi's time, ancelotti's and Capello's. I wanted to not draw with an english team, because they play fast, and Juve That I watched the last decade, was always slow, and can't play against the fast teams.

I don't have hopes for the second leg, but I know there are miracles in Football, I hope those miracles happens, but I am not sure it will. I am looking forward for the next season's already, hopefull some changes will occur..

Jesus christ enough already, You continually defed the indefensible, you continue to point fingers st the wrong ppl , if its not the physio, its the players, never Capello who actually dictates the tactics and makes all the wrong moves. What the foook are you talking about , building a new era? What new era is that? Most of the side is from Lippi with Zlatan his only young input to the side. Cannavaro is at the wrong end of 30 so what are you talking about new era for? English teams? who was the english player that played against Juve on tuesday? Please tell us. I am sick of reading this shite. He is the best coach in the world my ass, he just has the bvest sychophants thats all, people like you who will blame the players when things go bad and praise the coach when things are good. The guy's tactics are lame and suffocating, i mean who plays 2 defensive midfielders for crying out loud
As fof the return leg, we can win, actually i dreamt about it , that we did win with 2 goals from Dp and the winner from me, would you believe, well i did say it was a dream but Capello was not our coach in my dream ,otherwise id have said it was a nightmare and for us to win 3-0 withhim in charge will be science fiction.
Yes it could happen, we could score early, we could have a dubiuos penalty, they could have a player sent off and all of that , its not beyond the realms of possibilty. Because we support Juve we want it to happen but i have so much apathy towards Capello that i dont care anymore. Even if we do go on and win and also win the cl, i will never praise him,its gone beyond that now as far as I am concerned we are a laughing stock

 

[Henry 203 Gols.]

Our Defence Vs Juve's Defence

Lehmann - £1.5m

Eboe - £1m

Kolo - £150k

Flamini - Free (320K Compensation to Marseille)

Juve...

Buffon - £32.5m

Zebina - Free

Cannavaro - 10.5m

Zambrotta - 15.5m

Thuram - 23m

 

[Enron]

Our Defence Vs Juve's Defence

Lehmann - £1.5m

Eboe - £1m

Kolo - £150k

Flamini - Free (320K Compensation to Marseille)

Juve...

Buffon - £32.5m

Zebina - Free

Cannavaro - 10.5m

Zambrotta - 15.5m

Thuram - 23m

You should post the age differences too.

 

[denco]

Our Defence Vs Juve's Defence

Lehmann - £1.5m

Eboe - £1m

Kolo - £150k

Flamini - Free (320K Compensation to Marseille)

Juve...

Buffon - £32.5m

Zebina - Free

Cannavaro - 10.5m

Zambrotta - 15.5m

Thuram - 23m

Lehman was 750,000, Zebina was not free, he has been costing us ever since

 

[zizoufan]

second leg chance !
FORZA Juventus

 

[denco]

Definitely saved by the bell.Infact if the referee had'nt blown the full-time whistle when he did,Capello himself would have been sent off for fielding such a hapless bunch.
I've seen some absolutely appalling Juventus perfomances in my time,nevertheless;Tuesday nights display has to rank amongst the "all-time greats".Outclassed and outgunned in every area that mattered by Monsieur Wenger and his gang of "minors",we appeared to be punching in a category way above our weight.
Two goals down from the first leg,two-(maybe three depending on the Del Piero diagnosis)potential match winners missing the return.....is there any hope?
Yes there is,but turning that possibility into reality will require a super-human perfomance from ALL our players,a HUGE slice of luck and a brainwave for Don Fabio who was indubitably outfoxed by Wenger in Highbury.
As it stands we really have nothing to lose in the second leg.The odds are stacked sky-high against us,consequently our traditional counter-attacking style must be ditched.I'm looking at a 3-5-2/5-3-3 formation that goes like this:

Buffon

Thuram Cannavaro Balzaretti




Emerson
Giannichedda
Zambrotta Chiellini



Nedved


Del Piero
(Mutu/Zalayeta)

Trezeguet



Goal: Buffon(RES IPSA LOQUITOR)

Defence: I'm going with a three-man back-line so that we can free up two full-backs to support the midfield and the attack.Thuram,Cannavaro and Balzaretti would hold a tight line that moves en bloc.
Zambrotta and Chellini would fall back to double on opposing players when we lose the ball.

Midfield: Arsenal will KILL us at the Delle Alpi if we allow them space and ball possession.We need a tight/packed midfield to cover our back three,hold the ball and dictate the pace.So Emerson should play a bit deep(screening the defence) with Giannichedda a bit advanced to thread the ball through for Zambrotta,Chiellini and (particularly) Nedved(though Emo and Giannichedda can switch duties intermittently)I will not start Blasi because I'm not impressed with his ball-handling and passing(plus he tends to be rash in the tackle).
Zambrotta and Chiellini should overlap,cross/pass to our forwards and shoot for goal when they find the spaces.
Nedved should have an advanced role in midfield where he can probe the Arsenal backline,thread balls through to our forwards and unleash the rockets in his uhlsport boots!(we missed him in that first leg and I do hope we have not frittered away his last Champions league gold medal opportunity!)

Attack: If Del Piero is fit he should start with Trezeguet.If not then Mutu or Zalayeta should take his place.Ibrahimovic MUST NOT start!!We've seen enough of his "magic" !!!

Arsenal cruise when they dictate the flow.Therefore we have to keep possession and control the pace.We need at least 15 players operating at a 110% for next week's game.Let's rest Nedved,Emerson,Buffon,Thuram,Zambrotta and Chiellini against Treviso this weekend(Vieira,Camoranesi,Zebina,Ibrahimovic,Zalayeta,Pessotto,Kovac,Blasi,Birindelli,Abbiati and Oliveira should make up our first eleven)so they can be fresh for "The Return".
It's going to be VERY difficult,but I don't think it is impossible.
NEVER GIVE UP ON THE OLD LADY!

I really admire your optmism but did you say Giannichedda should thread balls to our strikers? Have you never seen Giannichedda play? I am sorry but having 2 dms is not the way to go, i am not interested in posting formations anymore cos Capelllo always goes with the same nonsense

 

[Snoop]

Hey snoop --

Believe it or not, I will agree with some of your points here...



Lippi had rode his time out at Juve and was getting past his effectiveness as our coach anymore.



I think people change coaches in Serie A sooner than they would change their underwear. So no argument there. And any coach I have to spot some credit for having off-matches and poor games in the CL. But it's not just Arsenal. It was also playing as if we truly deserved to go out to Werder Bremen. It was our uninspired and lackadaisical attitude - with no sense of urgency - towards the return leg against Liverpool.

Werder Bremen, was a team that we underrated (including myself) so much. They are weak in Defence, but we also are weak in Offence too, we couldn't convert all those chances to goals. Since we couldn't convert those chances, so the players were to blame for not converting them. Capello's job is to create a team that creates chances to score goals, please tell me, what he could do if the players were not converting them to goals?

The ugly way that we scored in Turin the last minutes is making many of you to forget the fact that we were dominating the second leg, and deserved the qualification , or win that match at least..

Every coach should be allowed mistakes. They all make them. It's when there is a pattern of mistakes without any indication of correction that worries me and makes me lose confidence in their abilities.

I think Capello couldn't do anything in this game after we conceeded the goals, like the others are claiming, subbing Trezeguet or Mutu wasn't wrong at all, they were not performing anyway.

But the reason I am blaming him or the Directors, for having a team like this, I agree with others that we have a very good first 11, but we don't have back ups that can make a difference. now we depend on the likes of Blasi Giannicheda s to replace these players, while we could keep Maresca and tachinardi s as subs.

We have a lot of players that are under-performing, Viera, Zlatan and other players too sometimes, I want to find out the reason of that, who is to blame? Capello? the players? the directors? blaiming everything on Capello is no-sense, If he is that loser, or that bad coach, why everyone is after him? why he succeded all these years. He has a part for that, definitly, but we are not bad like this just because of one name, called Capello..

Capello's CL record with Juve in elimination rounds is very poor at best, IMO. If you break down the minutes of play in CL elimination rounds, we are leading the series just 2.6% of the time under Capello and we are behind 71.4% of the time. It's actually by chance and pure luck that we've been able to pull off the victories we have with those numbers. For a club of our stature, there's no excuse why we shouldn't be leading at least 20% of the time and behind for less than 50% of the time.

These are just stats and numbers, I can bring you numbers from the games he won, and make him a hero, I looke for overall result. I am sure If you compare Leverpool's stats with us, I doubt they are any better than us, or any good to be a champion.

Since you are taking the double 4 knock out stage matches, I would rate Madrid's one as a great one, Liverpool's and Bremen's as acceptables (looking to the chances and the goals we missed/annuled), and Arsenal's as a disaster.


I am as much as confused and dissapointed like you, because of the Arsenal's match, But at least it's good to see you agreeing with me, that's his time didn't come Yet to leave.

 

[Stephan]

juve-real 1-2
second leg
3-1

juve - real again 1-2
second leg
2-0

juve-barca 1-1
second leg
2-1 with ten men

i think we can make it again

we lost 0-1 against real last season, we didnt score there.

 

[Jem83]

Buffon said Capello's tactics were brilliant but the Juve players "didn't understand them fully". Why the hell not?

Is it the players' fault for not doing as they were told, or is it Capello's inability to make himself understood before the game which made us lose, eventually?

It's one of the two, I think, plus the fact that the players of Arsenal had more rest before the game than our players did.

We did NOT lose the first game due to Arsenal being a better side, that's just bullshit.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Our Defence Vs Juve's Defence

Lehmann - £1.5m

Eboe - £1m

Kolo - £150k

Flamini - Free (320K Compensation to Marseille)

how many times did any of these guys win the EPL?

 

[Bozi]

.I'm looking at a 3-5-2/5-3-3 formation that goes like this:

Buffon

Thuram Cannavaro Balzaretti




Emerson
Giannichedda
Zambrotta Chiellini



Nedved


Del Piero
(Mutu/Zalayeta)

Trezeguet

sorry mate,i admire your optimism but there is one fatal flaw here.....if juve play a back 3 we will be spanked,seriously! henry is deadliestr when he peels off to the left wing and waits for the midfield runners and we would get murdered every time we went forward and lost teh ball. a back 3 would hand arsenal the tie plain and simple

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm sorry, but I just have to say Capello is a piece of shit and that I hope he either moves on to another side or just simply dies. I had to get this off my chest today.