[CL] Juventus vs Arsenal (7 Viewers)

[Mozart]

(Get_to_bed_Chaz) commets are reasonable...but when a coach does a mistake
he learns through what went wrong through his tatics/strategy/players..

i guess it was in 2003 when capello was in his Roma days..they played
Arseanl in the CL and they were outlclassed with a hattrick coming from henry
at the olimpco...in the same season(not sure) when they played Lpool in the
Uefa cup...they were again defeated by an English side...so by now
he should have known his mistakes and could understand the strategy
that usually is played by EPL teams....so last year when we played lpool
he should have known that they will play with high tempo football..so
he should have played with a 5-man midfield or atlest closed the
gap to stop playing with there tempo...but he failed to understand that
and we lost 2-1...luckily in the 2nd leg he played with a 5-man midfield
but lpool came only to defend and only used counter-attacks...so
we started playing useless long balls...and the outcome..we were out

now this season against Arseanl..he should have known that they would
play with high-tempo attacking football...and only use counter-attacks
he should have placed a 5-man midfield to close the gap...


------------------------------blasi-------------------------

camornesi-----vieria-----------------emerson----mutu---

this would have atlest closed the gap for Helb to progess as an
attackin midfield player...and stop the passes that were
provided to henry....

now what will happen in the 2nd leg?....

i guess by now you guys know the outcome...........

 

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[shinamania]

hi well i would like to say that it will be nice if he leaves and if possible be sold outside italy that he would be unable to play against us again .he was such a fool flying into that poor boy like that.i was dissapointed in camo.he was just too nonchalant .i think that he should have been fined more than 30,000.thank God that he would not been playing in the 2nd leg cos it would be crazy of him to get disgraced again.imagine the idiot applauding the opposibng fans after an embarrasing display like that.if we can get joaquin and marchionni we will be devastating in the league and europe.

 

[denco]

Its all well and good to say that Lippi took the club to four finals, but as far as I am concerned, there is no honour in losing three finals, it counts for about as much as not qualifying at all. Capello has had two seasons, and in that time he has got into the last eight, whilst maintaining solid league form. The squad now is not that great at all, as whilst Juve have the best starting XI in the world, and back-up like Balazaretti, Abbiati, Del Piero and Mutu, there is nothing else beyond that, and therefore when there are some injuries or suspensions, Juve are bound to become unstuck. I am baffled as to how you can say that I give Capello to much credit for guiding Juve to surely two back to back Scudetti, when you seem to want to credit that to Lippi, who during his last season led Juve to an abysmal third place. He won one Champions League, when, fair enough, I'll drop the drugs claim, there wasnt as much competition in Europe. Now, you have Barca and Milan, but then all the above averages sides are capable of getting results, such as Lyon and Benfica. I though Juventus were a more sensible side than their Spanish counterparts, but whilst Barca kept faith in Rijkjard after he got knocked out early last year, and he delivered them the title, as well as a potential European success this year, everybody here jumps on Capello, and not the players or any other individual, just because they were outclassed in one match. Capello has surely earnt the right to be trusted by Juve fans for all that he has achieved already, and why can't you have faith he will get it right next year?

Please give it a rest, i am sick and tired of all these johnny-come-latelys who do not watch matches apart from the occasional come here and lecture like they know wht they are talking about. All your points are worthless to me as first of Capello has not stayed in any club longer than 5 years but you somehow manage to say Rafa will not be in Liverpool for the long haul. Capello is always angling for a bigger pay check every time he is at a club and alwyas seems to sign for 2 years in advance. Enough of this crap about |Capello rejuvenating Dp as any one with half a knowledge of Dp at Juve will tell you that he always plays well every world cup season so enuff already with that horseshit. How dare you come on here with is it Repka in your avatar and i am supposing youre a hammer fan and knock Lippi' era? Lippi in his first era won the league in his first season, the cl inhis second, the league twice more after that not to mention all the coppa italia and intercontinetal cups. capello on the other hand whilst at Milan won the league countless of times, won the Cl once, and lost it twice , lost the intercontinetal twice against lack lustre brazilian opposition.
What matches in Europe have we actually shone in that you watched please pary tell under Capello? No Lippi was not all bread and roses during his era especially the second coming but Capello was worse when he went back to Milan, i mean they finished 11th under him for christsakes. But you call finishing 3rd under Lippi abysmal. If you wanna argue please get your facts correct before you come on and start talking nonsense. And enuff already with the drug bullshit as they were acquitted, no it does not prove that they didnt use it but which clubs will say they never used drugs? So his crappy tactics can outwit the tedium that is serieA but how many great managers is he competing against in serieA this season? Mancini? he is a novice, Ancelotti? he played under capello for godsakes and still manages to produce a better team. Lippi? he is not there to compete is he? Prandelli? Spaletti? They are up and coming and have relatively weak squads
Did you say we have the best starting xi in world 11? Are you a clown or something? Please in what way are they the best in world football? They are very good and should be doing better but they are far from the best. Did it not occur to you that in the quarters we have played by far the worst football of the teams in there? Is thats not a disgrace when you have Benfica and Villareal there?
As for asking what anyone would have done better with our squad against Arsenal , if you do not know then there is no point in discussing it
As for Egonga, you are a complete waste of space so i wont even bother with you

 

[engonga]

what the hell are you talking about once again. is not it enough to blame Capello that we are now the idiots in europe? it not it enough that the performence of juve in europe was a shame for a club like juve and for whole Italy? is not it enough that we got trashed everytime we play away in europe against big teams??
and you still say that we do not like capello because of starting Zlatan??

i said there is some ppl and not all who attack capello
the guy(go-to-bed) just couldnt understand why u act like that with capello who since his arrival we are top of the serie a ,and i have explained to him.
it is sure that there is something wrong with capello's tactics in europe,but i know ppl here who were attacking him even before the season started ,is this normal?

 

[Rami]

i said there is some ppl and not all who attack capello
the guy(go-to-bed) just couldnt understand why u act like that with capello who since his arrival we are top of the serie a ,and i have explained to him.
it is sure that there is something wrong with capello's tactics in europe,but i know ppl here who were attacking him even before the season started ,is this normal?

1-They had a sneak preview last season.
2-Were you even here at the beggining of the season??

 

[Hambon]

The only way we can win is with a trident and a motivated and on point midfield....

everysingle person including the subs,coaches,fans have to be sharp and clinical

other wise bye bye CL

 

[NFL16]

I think we should through caution to the wind.
Buffon
Balza Canna Kovac
Emerson
Mutu Nedved Zams
Trez DP( if injured zlatan)

No thuram cause he's to slow to cope with henry and hleb etc. Capello should put this team out and tell them turn run their heads off especially nedved who needs to be the midfield spark

 

[Fabregas23]

As an arsenal fan, and watching the game again, I thought Juve played fairly well and I thought Ibrahamovic was your best attacking player. The way he peeled off to the wings was top quality. It was just at the end of these moves he couldn't quite find the final pass because Toure and co are defensive freaks at the moment. I swear they are taking steriods, nothing as else can explain their alertness.

I have been saying for years that two defensive midfielders do not work at euopean level. Arsenal with Vieira/Gilberto were crap and now Juve with Emerson/Vieira lack inspiration in the middle too. Look at Milan, good in europe with Pirlo playing and dictating centrally ala Fabregas. Barcelona with Deco. If juve had a good central midfield you have all the ingredients to do very well.

 

[KONG THE KING]

uau,too many long post's here I can't read that much,easy up guys
it's only football ,don't kill yourself for it :toast:

 

[Hambon]

I think we should through caution to the wind.
Buffon
Balza Canna Kovac
Emerson
Mutu Nedved Zams
Trez DP( if injured zlatan)

No thuram cause he's to slow to cope with henry and hleb etc. Capello should put this team out and tell them turn run their heads off especially nedved who needs to be the midfield spark

exactly how i see it....

I have been saying for years that two defensive midfielders do not work at euopean level. Arsenal with Vieira/Gilberto were crap and now Juve with Emerson/Vieira lack inspiration in the middle too. Look at Milan, good in europe with Pirlo playing and dictating centrally ala Fabregas. Barcelona with Deco. If juve had a good central midfield you have all the ingredients to do very well.

right on bro....i was never convinced with two DM....that will only win you domestic titles not european titles were there is much more attacking involved....look at chelsea for instance...

 

[NFL16]

I agree with you fab23 two defensive mids just dont cut it. We need neddy in central like 2003 when he was so inspirational

 

[Brixity]

I am confident DP will take part in this game - but I dont think he'll go for
90+ minutes though unfortunately.

 

[Bozi]

exactly how i see it....



right on bro....i was never convinced with two DM....that will only win you domestic titles not european titles were there is much more attacking involved....look at chelsea for instance...

exactly hambon mate as i said in the letter to capello thread

when he have the arguement about squad depth you realise how badly we missed a tacchinardi who would ave come on and grabbed the midfield by the scruff of the neck,the decision not tobid for casanno and let him go to real is looking increasingly foolish as zalayeta is not juve quality(not that he ever gets a chance) and we cannot realistically expect him to come on 3-4 games a season and score in such an important match.

mutu is wasted on the wing he is a support striker who is wasted in midfield.

and if you have a team with 2 deep lying holding central midfielders then you either need to go 3 at the back(not against arse they would kill us down the channels) or set up a trident attack and try and free up the other midfielder so you have to give the opposition defense a problem. if capello wants to play 4-4-2 then he is gonna have to sacrifice paddy or puma and get in a creative player

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[Juve_Kosova]

Its all well and good to say that Lippi took the club to four finals, but as far as I am concerned, there is no honour in losing three finals, it counts for about as much as not qualifying at all. Capello has had two seasons, and in that time he has got into the last eight, whilst maintaining solid league form. The squad now is not that great at all, as whilst Juve have the best starting XI in the world, and back-up like Balazaretti, Abbiati, Del Piero and Mutu, there is nothing else beyond that, and therefore when there are some injuries or suspensions, Juve are bound to become unstuck. I am baffled as to how you can say that I give Capello to much credit for guiding Juve to surely two back to back Scudetti, when you seem to want to credit that to Lippi, who during his last season led Juve to an abysmal third place. He won one Champions League, when, fair enough, I'll drop the drugs claim, there wasnt as much competition in Europe. Now, you have Barca and Milan, but then all the above averages sides are capable of getting results, such as Lyon and Benfica. I though Juventus were a more sensible side than their Spanish counterparts, but whilst Barca kept faith in Rijkjard after he got knocked out early last year, and he delivered them the title, as well as a potential European success this year, everybody here jumps on Capello, and not the players or any other individual, just because they were outclassed in one match. Capello has surely earnt the right to be trusted by Juve fans for all that he has achieved already, and why can't you have faith he will get it right next year?

Dont believe everything u read in this forum!!!
Its normal that people hate Capello here, even i who defended him for years have startet hating him.. But we aint in charge for the club so dont worry.. I expect to see Capello here next season also.. Even if i would like him to change his tactics (atleast for the cl matches or something) or leave the club!!!

 

[Fabregas23]

Tacchinardi played at highbury 4 years ago. I don't remember him getting a kick.

 

[northbank]

As an arsenal fan, and watching the game again, I thought Juve played fairly well and I thought Ibrahamovic was your best attacking player. The way he peeled off to the wings was top quality. It was just at the end of these moves....

I just said that on the last page; must be something only we appreciated.

 

[Azzurri7]

Nice avatar Rab.

Thanks bro.

 

[Il Re]

to be honest guys, its never over till the fat lady sings, and she isnt singing yet, i've seen wierder things happen, liverpool scoring 3 goals in one half after being down 3-0, deportivo coming back from loosing 4-1 to milan, to win 4-0, i'm not saying we will, but if there is belief in the team, if they come out like hungry lions, i believe we could do it, arsenal could have a relaly bad game, and we play amazing.............one can have faith

 

[Azzurri7]

According to Gazxzetta......

Del Piero will be starting on the bench against Trevisio....ا

 

[Eire]

what starting 11do they give