[CL] Juventus vs Arsenal (22 Viewers)

May 4, 2004
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Stephan said:
i dont know, 3defenders feels too scary, i mean with the likes of henry, he can have that one moment like against real and he can kick our 3 men defens also. question is what formation arsenal use for this game also. move chiellini back and i am satisfied, i just dont feel safe 3 men defens against henry.
maybe this

Buffon
Thuram-Canna-Kovac-Chiellini
Zambro-Emerson-Nedved
--------Mutu
Trezeuget-Del Piero


Imo we should not look to much on how arsenal will play.. we should go out there and attack(not easy with the formation Capello plays) from the first min. while having defenders on henry all the time..
 

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Dominic

Senior Member
Jan 30, 2004
16,705
After thinking last night's drama over, I came to a few thoughts.
Though very unpleasant, such a hard loss might be a good thing after all.
Seeing as it might actually finally wake some people up, Capello and the management included. The former might be actually forced to make some more drastic changes in our style of play, formation and mentality. Starting next week against Arsenal at home. Hopefully as soon as the Treviso match, but the loss of certain key(to Capello's tactics)players is a heavy factor on changing tactics as well against Arsenal. The latter ( the management), will have to make changes in the direction of the tranfers mainly; How to build a team suitable for more than only one platform( Serie A).

This scenario is a complete deja vu of the liverpool scenario last season. To complete this cycle, we will probably thrash Treviso and go out against Arsenal with a weak draw. Hopefully though the change of tactics and because the team will want prevent the deja vu, will change the course of history this year around. I know it will take a miracle, but i'm willing to stay positive, for one last week. I'll have my aim at Capello and the management's head, if we go out ungloriously next week. That being said, most damage has been done already.

In any case the next week will surely be interesting to say the least.

More specifically about the formation next week.
We need to adress the big issues on our team;
-Such as the lack of cohesion between the lines. The defence can't get the ball to the midfield and the midfield can't reach the strikers.
-It's as if we play with 9 players at the start of the match, the strikers are uninvolved in the build up.
-We need some winning attitutde, fight for the ball!
-Quicker play, pass the ball around. If you want to play counter-attack, you need get to ball to front quicker and with more precision.
-Lack of Techincal ability, all the first touches were sloppy against Arsenal. A big winning factor for Arsenal.

The drastic changes due to Vieira, Camoranesi's, Zebina's and maybe Del Piero's absense will come down to a a 5-3-2 sort of formation.
That's what I expect anyway. Just like the liverpool scenario is repeating itself, a scenario of earlier this season is repeating itself in a way as well. We went through the same transition vs bayern earlier in the season, when we suffered back to back defeats against both Bayern and milan. Back then we changed formation to a 5-3-2 formation for the second game against Bayern. Thus we will probably see something like this against Arsenal:

_________________Buffon
_________Kovac Thuram Cannavaro
Zambrotta______________________Chiellini
__________Emerson Giannichedda?
_________________Nedved
____________Trezeguet Zlatan (Mutu? Del Piero? PLEASE!)


If we fail, we can already start building for the next season. As far as i'm concerned the season will be as good as over then; no more europe and the scudetto as good as sealed. We will finally need to inject some youth (this was needed 2 years ago!) and we need some Conte's! Or even Maresca's, Tacchinardi's. Players with grit, determination, the will to win. Players from average teams, who want to win anything mixed with the experienced winners. Marchionni is therefore a good start.

I know a lot of this is very incoherent, but I felt the need to share some of my thoughts. Any comments?
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
23,049
Dominic said:
Thus we will probably see something like this against Arsenal:

_________________Buffon
_________Kovac Thuram Cannavaro
Zambrotta______________________Chiellini
__________Emerson Giannichedda?
_________________Nedved
____________Trezeguet Zlatan (Mutu? Del Piero? PLEASE!)


Exactly what I said, except with Mutu in the first 11, and play Emerson as the lone DM.
 

Juve_25

Senior Member
Jan 3, 2006
1,316
These would be the two best formations:

1) In case dp is fit.

--------------------Buffon--------------------

-----Thuram----Cannavaro----Chiellini----

Mutu----Emerson----Nedved----Zambrotta

-----------------Del Piero---------------------

------Trezeguet-----Ibrahimovic(Zala)-------

2) In case dp isn't fit.

--------------------Buffon--------------------

-----Thuram----Cannavaro----Kovac----

Zambrotta----Emerson----Nedved----Chiellini

-----------------Mutu---------------------

------Trezeguet-----Ibrahimovic(Zala)-------

This is of course if our deffence plays their best game of all juve times.
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
Wow!!

what happend here?

I mean just 2 hours ago everybody was saying that we will not pass and now I see all this posts saying that we will win the game?

Are you guys drunk or something? did I enter a diferent dimension in wich Juve did actually played great against Arsenal?

Do you guys know something that I dont? I mean are the Juve players going to dope themselfs for the match? or did Lehmann said that he is gonna score twice in his own net?

And another thing, dont want to ruin your party here, but WAKE UP!! Capello is not going to change his tactical lineup!??? you guys should know by know that the 4-4-2 is not going to change even if we are losing 10-0...

All you tactics are great, but usseless, with Capello in charge, 4-4-2 is the only thing we will see...
 
Jul 18, 2002
1,256
Zlatan is the worst FINISHER I've ever seen!!!!! Why the hell did he take the freekick in the first half???!?!?!?!?! Mutu should have burried it...! I mean.. Zlatan??!?!? Freekick!?!?! I am still very argh !"!##"#!#""# about it...! And only a single shot on goal.... By who? ----> Camoranesi! Laughable....!!!!! The best team in Italy..? It's a joke right?!?

In Torino ... We have to start the match with 3 up front...! Del Piero right behind Zlatan and Trezeguet...! We have to take risks if we still want to progress...! I wouldn't be surprised if Capello starts reminding Juve to attack in the last 10-5 min. I mean....! It's disgraceful...!

We played some good first 40 min in Highbury...! But when they scored...! They really caught us...! I still believe we can win 2-0 ...! I am optimistic...! I don't know y.. ! But I just have this feeling that we'll manage it...! Del Piero/Nedved and Trezeguet to score...! Inshallah..!
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,366
I only hope for one thing in this game, I am a Juve fan and I am fucking proud of it. To keep my head high, I want our team to fight back for the tie. Even if they leave the tournament, I want them at least to have fought for a comeback.

Forza Juve.
 

NYJuve

Junior Member
Mar 15, 2006
72
Dominic said:
_________________Buffon
_________Kovac Thuram Cannavaro
Zambrotta______________________Chiellini
__________Emerson Giannichedda?
_________________Nedved
____________Trezeguet Zlatan (Mutu? Del Piero? PLEASE!)
I agree 100% with what you said.

Your starting 11 is almost a MUST (we don't have anyone else to start).
I'd like to consider it more a 3-4-1-2 but whatever..... it's just semanthic.
I'd put Nedved on the left instead of Chiellini and Mutu at his place (with DP coming in the second half if he's fit).

Arsenal plays with 1 forward. Everybody else comes from the midfield. 3 defenders are more than enough and if we play a different soccer, it'll be Arsenal that will have to worry about us.
 

AzherIqbal

Junior Member
Nov 15, 2005
288
I'm so looking foward to this game. I want to see what Juve comes out and plays. Hopefully, we'll see the never give up Juve we all love. Hopefully we'll take the chances in fornt of goal, because trust me there we will more than enough to win the game.
 
Jul 18, 2002
1,256
Jeeks said:
I only hope for one thing in this game, I am a Juve fan and I am fucking proud of it. To keep my head high, I want our team to fight back for the tie. Even if they leave the tournament, I want them at least to have fought for a comeback.

Forza Juve.
That's the REAL Juve SPIRIT :D :cool: :p !

FORZA JUVE!
 

Juve_25

Senior Member
Jan 3, 2006
1,316
Jeeks said:
I only hope for one thing in this game, I am a Juve fan and I am fucking proud of it. To keep my head high, I want our team to fight back for the tie. Even if they leave the tournament, I want them at least to have fought for a comeback.

Forza Juve.
+ rep...!

For people like you is that I'm proud to be a Juventino! I agree with you my friend! No matter what happen, we are Juve fans (I think my blood is black and white instead of red) and we need to support them in the goods and in the bads!

Lets fight for it, don't surrender so easily! Whatever happens Forza Juve!!!!
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
aaaaahhh... so much positive vibes makes me soooooo....


SICK!!!

I hope we lose against Arsenal so once for all our management realice that Capello must go!!

Have you guys realise that if we win Capello will have arguments to stay!!
 

Juve_25

Senior Member
Jan 3, 2006
1,316
Espectro said:
aaaaahhh... so much positive vibes makes me soooooo....


SICK!!!

I hope we lose against Arsenal so once for all our management realice that Capello must go!!

Have you guys realise that if we win Capello will have arguments to stay!!
Who cares about that now! I prefer to win against arsenal and still have the probabilities of wining the Champions, than loosing the game and still watching the same formation and the same coach for the rest of the season and the next one. I mean is the same, Capello is never going to leave unless he want it. Accept the truth!
 

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