[CL] Juventus vs Arsenal (6 Viewers)

[lavenderguy]

damn i enjoyed the top10 dp goals very much, dp is the best when he was in his prime, simply unstoppable...just like ronaldinho today...
now this yr he needs a world cup title to justify his talent..

 

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[beemoeasy]

zlatan wasnt that bad yesterday, especially considering capello doesnt even play to his strengths.

 

[Intro]

swap ibra and cassano

Anyone who would do such a move is an idiot as they may as well just buy into another savings bond from Florentino Perez . Firstly, Owen and now Cassano they purchased on the cheap so they could generate quick cash. I say make them pay for their silly accounting and if we ruin a spoilt brat like Cassano's career in the process - then all is good.

 

[serfaraaz]

cassano will score more goals

 

[arsenal2]

actually got a question for you guys, why is it that when one arsenal fan comes on the forum his always followed by another.. and another..

Seems like a conspiracy

coz we are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen were the fuck is the old lady now ill tell ya shes in a fucking old person's home coz she had a fucking heart attack caused by arsenal

 

[northbank]

Poor game last night.

Cheers for accomodating us and we'll (hopefully) see you next year.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

 

[arsenal2]

Poor game last night.

Cheers for accomodating us and we'll (hopefully) see you next year.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

you sad wanker

 

[arsenal2]

you sad wanker

i apoligize for what i put in my last two messages know to be honest juventus now are poor there is no passion in your team i remeber when i use to watch italian football on channel 4 in england it was when inter had ronaldo ac milan had george weah and juventus had davids zidane di livio del piero (hot shit even then) and inzaghi up front for me one of the best teams in the black and white of juve i use to get up and watch that 7:00am every saturday great team great league and great spirit.But i am a arsenal fan through and through and if it means beating juventus then so be it so glad we brought henry instead of trezeguet ibrahimovic was poor and you should sell him straight away in the summer see if you cant get cassano in a swap with real madrid mauro camoranesi is poor very disrespectful man cocky thinks he is juventus believe me stick with capello but i think you need to find a true spirited italian i would say someone like gattuso great player you may not like him but cant hide behind accept that he would an immense player for juventus

 

[sateeh]

We dont have to buy a new team,
we are not Inter,
our players have quality and have them in a more than sufficient quantity,
many many European teams and coaches dream of them,
the concentration of quality is high and the combo of experience and eagerness we have is a very good one,
we have experianced defenders and midfielders to control the game,
dynamic wingers and fullstoppers
and finally young/ creative players upfront Zlatan/Mutu/Trezequet to give the spark
backed by the experianced DP/Nedved/Camoranezi

we have everything a coach would wish,
we have a complete team Capello said that himself, we have no major concerns on Championship or cup,
there are no excuses the tools are in our hands and we dont use them,
for years we ve been complaining for our financial problems and transfer policy
we finally have now a team full of stars and a few more in our bench too,
if now isnt the time to be competitive,
it will never will be.

We ve been out of form till x-mas and Cap did nothing to prevent it,
he had the time to react, come up with a solution make some chances.

He chossed a system, i respect that, he had a plan, he built the team upon that,
we have a very solid 4-4-2 formation,
but it had been prooved over and over again that
its not the right aproach to face teams wich are particulary good to intercept our long balls from our wingers esp when they defend with all their players and pressing our center.
It was pretty obvius for any observer who had a chance to watch a decent mumbers of Juve matches right after the first half year of Cap's in Juve,
Cap did nothing to improove that,
invented no alternative game plan, esp an attacking pattern,
other than our damn long balls to our strikers,
our team got strenghened and moderated in a way to favour this plan,
even the players that dont perfectly fit in this plan are used in the generic roles to serve this plan,
wichis not an unefficient and totally useless plan,
since we won a championship and 3/4 of the second,
but it is very unefficient against teams who have good enough players to shut down our wingers and defend with many players in the center isolating our strikers and cancel in its birth any attacking opportunity our DMs would try.

Smth has to be done this system hasnt anymore to offer,
if it wasnt prooved already last year it sould have been prooved thie year,
we cannot become any better than we are now using this system,
he have to use a back up plan for some matches against certain opponents
and we dont necesary have to change the formation,
we must change our tactics,
quit on those EPL desperate long balls and try smth more apropriate for a Juve team, short passes, possesion football, one player with a free role (maybe in a 4-4-2 diamond formation) able to help when its needed and take advantage of the situation when the opportunity comes,
wingers stop crossing and start dribbling and short passing to our strikers becoming the link between midfield and attack line if our DMs have to face superior quality midfielders,
we have to adapt our tactics on the occasion,
we cant win everything with the formation choosen before the begining of the season,
the players are tied in their roles,
their skills are amputated,
they cant deliver on the field what their real value allows them,
they get frustrated,
we are underperforming us a team
and its all one mans fault,

i generally underestimate the coaches influence in a game
and i never hurry to blame them for everything,
but its too obvius now, even other teams supporters can see it,
heavy mistakes are made on tactical level and are frequently repeated
and there is absolutely no reaction,
no course of action to to eradicate or even prevent them,

we dont loose because of a players performance,form, accidentation or morale,
we are loosing with a plan,not spontaneusly
this is an organised and precalculated defeat...
we know when we will loose, by whom and how!!!

only a coach can do that...

great post

but u cant just blame the coach for everything, if i blame cap for something its not giving himself better options on the bench.

last nite's game just showed that even with neddy playing in the free role in midfield, he cant do a very good job. with two big strikers upfront with him who offer him noo support.
in here comes the importance of a playmaking forward ( the 9 and a half as some call it) especially with this formation. Mutu wasnt tried in the supporting role upfront mybe at all this season, and although he had some good performances on the wing, when it comes to a good defence then he is wayyy below standard. Anyone could see this especially in the past week as he had a very good game against trevisio and two horrible ones against arsenal.

dont get me wrong, i dont like the system he is doing, but last nite... we couldnt and wouldnt have ever strung any passes together in a 1000 mins with the team playing.
i dont think we have enough quality to play as u suggested. As our creativity is very limited.

 

[giovanotti]

You give me the pen to sign after you finish.

After you Rab ,I'll do the same.

 

[Azzurri7]

After you Rab ,I'll do the same.

Make reservation from now.....

 

[Juve_Kosova]

I want back the Cassano thread

 

[giovanotti]

Make reservation from now.....

I already did it ,from the first time I saw him playing like a shite and acting like an idiot...man I'm angry , for the whole 2 seasons Del Piero was sitting on the bench while Capello plays his baby-boy Ibra.

 

[Henry 203 Gols.]

:erhem:

Well, I did say it could end up as a nil-nil draw.

Anyway, Good luck the Old Lady in the serie A!!

It was a pleasure to play you!!

What a night for Arsenal FC.

 

[Vinman]

Denco right, Yeah he has some points that I agree with him, but not always (like blaming Capello for DP's injury and things like that..).. You are right? hmm, you were talking different last year, and this year totally the opposite. Vinman? He is the biggest ever pessimist, He was wrong many times, last season he predicted that we will lose the Scudetto but we won, he Did say that again this year, and he will probably be wrong again..

Was I wrong? I don't think so, even if the 99% of the forum thinks like that.. I never said we are going to win the CL, but said it before we will win the scudetto. But could we win the CL? you need a good squad and luck to win the cl, so yes If all the goddamin red cards didn't fly in the air, and Del piero in which I told everyone here that he should be rested against Livorno, yeah Livorno the 3 matches before the Arsenal's first leg, if he wasn't injured we would have equal chances of Arsenal from the begining .. Zlatan is in his worst form in his life maybe, and when you don't have any other options than him to play with Trezeguet, you can't do anything about it..

Capello has succeded two years in a Row to bring us two scudettos, I apreciate him for that, and I will support him as long as he is our manager, and bringing more trophies.. But, he failed in Europe last season to The champion, and maybe he failed again against the future champion too

Maybe I overrated Capello more than he deserves (but not as much as everyone underrates him umpkin: ), and he dissapointed me with the performance against the Arsenal, especially the london match, But I still think he is a good coach.. Lippi failed a lot too, Ancelotti failed, Sir Fergusson failed, Mourinho failed. they all are not bad managers you know? Lippi's career with Inter was a diasaster, does that make him a loser? :faq1:
You can't win always, that only happens in disneyland.


We have players that we should get rid of them as fast as we can:
1- Zebina
2- Camoranesi
3- Zlatan : same as above, I don't doubt his playing abilities at all, but his personality is not Juve material, His atitude is not changing.. He is not a player that gives 100% to his club. When you perform bad, you shut the fuck up, and try to perform better for the coming matches, and not yell on the coach or his assisteant.

you are the biggest idiot on this forum

maybe, I'm that much smarter than you, and saw our problems over a year ago, and the ONLY thing that saved our asses last year was the talent of the PLAYERS, and not our completely inept coach

I now understand why you love CRAPello so much...

you have so much in common

 

[Vinman]

zlatan wasnt that bad yesterday, especially considering capello doesnt even play to his strengths.

and what might that be ??

we all see what happens EVERY time the guy gets the ball

 

[PhRoZeN]

i use to get up and watch that 7:00am every saturday great team great league and great spirit

10am and yeah I remember them days, seriously your supporting the wrong team, convert whilst your ahead..:eyebrows:

 

[PhRoZeN]

coz we are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen were the fuck is the old lady now ill tell ya shes in a fucking old person's home coz she had a fucking heart attack caused by arsenal

Why is that that your the only arsenal fan left on this board, see what I mean, you love us, you really do, your in denial.. the type of football you saw in highbury from us caught your eye :faq1:

 

[Footballitalia]

you sad wanker

You fucken Trater

 

[PhRoZeN]

Poor game last night.

Cheers for accomodating us and we'll (hopefully) see you next year.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

Hope not, unless if we dramatically change.