[CL] Juventus vs Arsenal (20 Viewers)
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Juve_25 said:
Positives things of this match:
1) Buffon proved he is the best goalkeeper in the world.
2) Capello proved (again) that he isn't going anywhere with those stupid tactics. (we need a new coach)
3) Ibrahimovic proved he is hated by all juve fans (at least the 67,000 persons that where today at Delle Alpi).
4) Del Piero proved he is beloved by all juve fans.
5) Del Piero proved he is needed in the field always (not only the last 30 minutes of the game when he gives the spirit to the team, but always!).
int:
1) Buffon proved he is the best goalkeeper in the world.
2) Capello proved (again) that he isn't going anywhere with those stupid tactics. (we need a new coach)
3) Ibrahimovic proved he is hated by all juve fans (at least the 67,000 persons that where today at Delle Alpi).
4) Del Piero proved he is beloved by all juve fans.
5) Del Piero proved he is needed in the field always (not only the last 30 minutes of the game when he gives the spirit to the team, but always!).
int:
that´s everything !!!!! Nothing more to tell!!!!!!!!!
Ericsson to Juve?. Get real. If we all feel Juve lack imagination with Capello at the helm, I dread to think what Ericsson will bring to the team. The man practically eats, breaths and shits the 4-4-2 long-ball tactic, which is the reason why Arsenal, and not us, are playing Villareal in the CL semi's...
And why on earth are you all raving to sell Ibra? Yes, he's been way off form the past 6 games. Yes, he's getting absolutely too much field time at the expense of DelPiero. Yes, he seems tired and slow and would benefit from a proper rotation policy. But who's to blame? And lest we forget, before we make wankers of ourselves in our state of frustration, that the lad bagged 16 goals in his first season with us, and led our attack with style till mid-February this season. This is one of the greatest talents of the game. Ibra has the potential to continue being a great player, under the proper manager and a humane rotation policy (anybody witnessed Sahas and Ronaldos rejuvination under Fergusons wings?) - the problem is Capello, unwittingly, has himself cast Zlatan in a negative spiral by constantly fielding him when the lad is tired, mentally drained and plagued by niggling injuries. And now the curva is out to get Ibra, surprise...
And why on earth are you all raving to sell Ibra? Yes, he's been way off form the past 6 games. Yes, he's getting absolutely too much field time at the expense of DelPiero. Yes, he seems tired and slow and would benefit from a proper rotation policy. But who's to blame? And lest we forget, before we make wankers of ourselves in our state of frustration, that the lad bagged 16 goals in his first season with us, and led our attack with style till mid-February this season. This is one of the greatest talents of the game. Ibra has the potential to continue being a great player, under the proper manager and a humane rotation policy (anybody witnessed Sahas and Ronaldos rejuvination under Fergusons wings?) - the problem is Capello, unwittingly, has himself cast Zlatan in a negative spiral by constantly fielding him when the lad is tired, mentally drained and plagued by niggling injuries. And now the curva is out to get Ibra, surprise...
We dont have to buy a new team,
we are not Inter,
our players have quality and have them in a more than sufficient quantity,
many many European teams and coaches dream of them,
the concentration of quality is high and the combo of experience and eagerness we have is a very good one,
we have experianced defenders and midfielders to control the game,
dynamic wingers and fullstoppers
and finally young/ creative players upfront Zlatan/Mutu/Trezequet to give the spark
backed by the experianced DP/Nedved/Camoranezi
we have everything a coach would wish,
we have a complete team Capello said that himself, we have no major concerns on Championship or cup,
there are no excuses the tools are in our hands and we dont use them,
for years we ve been complaining for our financial problems and transfer policy
we finally have now a team full of stars and a few more in our bench too,
if now isnt the time to be competitive,
it will never will be.
We ve been out of form till x-mas and Cap did nothing to prevent it,
he had the time to react, come up with a solution make some chances.
He chossed a system, i respect that, he had a plan, he built the team upon that,
we have a very solid 4-4-2 formation,
but it had been prooved over and over again that
its not the right aproach to face teams wich are particulary good to intercept our long balls from our wingers esp when they defend with all their players and pressing our center.
It was pretty obvius for any observer who had a chance to watch a decent mumbers of Juve matches right after the first half year of Cap's in Juve,
Cap did nothing to improove that,
invented no alternative game plan, esp an attacking pattern,
other than our damn long balls to our strikers,
our team got strenghened and moderated in a way to favour this plan,
even the players that dont perfectly fit in this plan are used in the generic roles to serve this plan,
wichis not an unefficient and totally useless plan,
since we won a championship and 3/4 of the second,
but it is very unefficient against teams who have good enough players to shut down our wingers and defend with many players in the center isolating our strikers and cancel in its birth any attacking opportunity our DMs would try.
Smth has to be done this system hasnt anymore to offer,
if it wasnt prooved already last year it sould have been prooved thie year,
we cannot become any better than we are now using this system,
he have to use a back up plan for some matches against certain opponents
and we dont necesary have to change the formation,
we must change our tactics,
quit on those EPL desperate long balls and try smth more apropriate for a Juve team, short passes, possesion football, one player with a free role (maybe in a 4-4-2 diamond formation) able to help when its needed and take advantage of the situation when the opportunity comes,
wingers stop crossing and start dribbling and short passing to our strikers becoming the link between midfield and attack line if our DMs have to face superior quality midfielders,
we have to adapt our tactics on the occasion,
we cant win everything with the formation choosen before the begining of the season,
the players are tied in their roles,
their skills are amputated,
they cant deliver on the field what their real value allows them,
they get frustrated,
we are underperforming us a team
and its all one mans fault,
i generally underestimate the coaches influence in a game
and i never hurry to blame them for everything,
but its too obvius now, even other teams supporters can see it,
heavy mistakes are made on tactical level and are frequently repeated
and there is absolutely no reaction,
no course of action to to eradicate or even prevent them,
we dont loose because of a players performance,form, accidentation or morale,
we are loosing with a plan,not spontaneusly
this is an organised and precalculated defeat...
we know when we will loose, by whom and how!!!
only a coach can do that...
we are not Inter,
our players have quality and have them in a more than sufficient quantity,
many many European teams and coaches dream of them,
the concentration of quality is high and the combo of experience and eagerness we have is a very good one,
we have experianced defenders and midfielders to control the game,
dynamic wingers and fullstoppers
and finally young/ creative players upfront Zlatan/Mutu/Trezequet to give the spark
backed by the experianced DP/Nedved/Camoranezi
we have everything a coach would wish,
we have a complete team Capello said that himself, we have no major concerns on Championship or cup,
there are no excuses the tools are in our hands and we dont use them,
for years we ve been complaining for our financial problems and transfer policy
we finally have now a team full of stars and a few more in our bench too,
if now isnt the time to be competitive,
it will never will be.
We ve been out of form till x-mas and Cap did nothing to prevent it,
he had the time to react, come up with a solution make some chances.
He chossed a system, i respect that, he had a plan, he built the team upon that,
we have a very solid 4-4-2 formation,
but it had been prooved over and over again that
its not the right aproach to face teams wich are particulary good to intercept our long balls from our wingers esp when they defend with all their players and pressing our center.
It was pretty obvius for any observer who had a chance to watch a decent mumbers of Juve matches right after the first half year of Cap's in Juve,
Cap did nothing to improove that,
invented no alternative game plan, esp an attacking pattern,
other than our damn long balls to our strikers,
our team got strenghened and moderated in a way to favour this plan,
even the players that dont perfectly fit in this plan are used in the generic roles to serve this plan,
wichis not an unefficient and totally useless plan,
since we won a championship and 3/4 of the second,
but it is very unefficient against teams who have good enough players to shut down our wingers and defend with many players in the center isolating our strikers and cancel in its birth any attacking opportunity our DMs would try.
Smth has to be done this system hasnt anymore to offer,
if it wasnt prooved already last year it sould have been prooved thie year,
we cannot become any better than we are now using this system,
he have to use a back up plan for some matches against certain opponents
and we dont necesary have to change the formation,
we must change our tactics,
quit on those EPL desperate long balls and try smth more apropriate for a Juve team, short passes, possesion football, one player with a free role (maybe in a 4-4-2 diamond formation) able to help when its needed and take advantage of the situation when the opportunity comes,
wingers stop crossing and start dribbling and short passing to our strikers becoming the link between midfield and attack line if our DMs have to face superior quality midfielders,
we have to adapt our tactics on the occasion,
we cant win everything with the formation choosen before the begining of the season,
the players are tied in their roles,
their skills are amputated,
they cant deliver on the field what their real value allows them,
they get frustrated,
we are underperforming us a team
and its all one mans fault,
i generally underestimate the coaches influence in a game
and i never hurry to blame them for everything,
but its too obvius now, even other teams supporters can see it,
heavy mistakes are made on tactical level and are frequently repeated
and there is absolutely no reaction,
no course of action to to eradicate or even prevent them,
we dont loose because of a players performance,form, accidentation or morale,
we are loosing with a plan,not spontaneusly
this is an organised and precalculated defeat...
we know when we will loose, by whom and how!!!
only a coach can do that...
Whatever. You do realise how nonsensical it is to lift ONE scapegoat in what is, last time I checked, a team game.
So sure, let's sell a raw talent because the manager decides to play him through minor injuries and physical blips. Let's get rid of Ibra because Capello had no real plan B after seeing how easily Senderos and Touré were dealing with the long ball threat. Lets dump another star to Real Madrid and see them rejuvinate their side and snatch those CL trophies we desire, because our midfield is woefully inadequate to carry our hopes and aspirations.
So sure, let's sell a raw talent because the manager decides to play him through minor injuries and physical blips. Let's get rid of Ibra because Capello had no real plan B after seeing how easily Senderos and Touré were dealing with the long ball threat. Lets dump another star to Real Madrid and see them rejuvinate their side and snatch those CL trophies we desire, because our midfield is woefully inadequate to carry our hopes and aspirations.
